RE: Toyota to take on Nissan 350Z?

RE: Toyota to take on Nissan 350Z?

Tuesday 9th November 2004

Toyota to take on Nissan 350Z?

New 330 bhp Supra to be lightweight, distributed 50:50


Toyota will blast back into the sports car market in 2006 with an all-new Supra – and a ground-breaking MR2 replacement could follow.

The Japanese giant is jostling with Ford to become global number two – and that's without a major sporting push.

Until now.

The Supra coupe has broken cover at the Nürburgring, along with an MR2 lookalike. The Supra – which bowed out of dealer showrooms in 1996 – will largely follow its predecessor's blueprint. That means a front-mounted engine, rear-wheel drive and a six-pot powerplant. At launch the Supra will run a naturally aspirated V6, displacing 3.5 litres. Peak power is pegged at around 330 bhp, transferred to the tarmac via a six-speed 'box.

As the spec suggests, the Supra will clash head on with the 350Z. And like the Nissan, the Supra could be sold as a drop top too. If given the green light, the roadster is set to adopt an SC430-style folding tin top.

There's still some work to be done on the chassis, though. The prototype seen here is based on a cut down version of the new Lexus GS platform – but sources say engineers aren't yet happy with the dynamics. If the chassis doesn't come up to scratch, the Supra may get its own bespoke underpinnings. Either way, the aim is for 50:50 weight distribution and an impressive 1,200 Kg kerb weight, thanks to the use of lightweight materials including aluminium and perhaps even carbon fibre panels.

Meanwhile, Toyota also appears to be testing the world's first mid-engined hybrid, disguised as an MR2. Toyota showed such a sports car – the CS&S concept – at the 2003 Frankfurt show. The Prius' 1.5-litre was mid-mounted and drove the rear wheels, while two electric motors span the front axle.

"It's an area we are playing around with – it's my pastime", says head of R&D Dr Akihiko Saito. With hybrid powertrains shrinking in size and weight, there's a chance the next MR2 could go hybrid. Today's car bows out of the US market at the end of 2005 although UK sales should continue. The company is clearly looking at a radical successor – but there is no definitive word on production yet.

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DustyC

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Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Tasty stuff

DustyC

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BigAlSki

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237 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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"The Supra – which bowed out of dealer showrooms in 1996 – will largely follow its predecessor's blueprint. That means a front-mounted engine, rear-wheel drive and a six-pot powerplant."

Is it just me or it just doesn't look like front-mounted engine, more mid-mounted. Can be seen better in pictures that show rear of the car

door

713 posts

239 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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DustyC said:
Tastier stuff
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=132917&f=71&h=0


Yes they will do it along with a lot of other high profile stuff because next year is the 50 birthday for Toyota. Hence Rossi at Yamaha, Haga to works Yam WSBK and Ralph to F1 Toyota. Next year you will be seeing Toyota/Yamaha everywhere.

dinkel

26,959 posts

259 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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It's a bit Bangled . . .

DustyC

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Tuesday 9th November 2004
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[quote=BigAlSkiIs it just me or it just doesn't look like front-mounted engine, more mid-mounted. Can be seen better in pictures that show rear of the car[/quote]

Definitly not much room for an engine in the middle.

apache

39,731 posts

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Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Well they do seem to be paying homage to one of their finest


will_t

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Tuesday 9th November 2004
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[quote=apache]
Well they do seem to be paying homage to one of their finest quote]

but why "bungle" it ?

Will

xspencex

1,534 posts

237 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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I've always loved the Supra....fantastic cars..when they are standard looking that is......

Mr E

21,631 posts

260 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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330bhp?

Nice.

Now, do a turbo fettled lump, with 400-420bhp and go play with the big boys.

DustyC

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Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Mr E said:
330bhp?

Nice.

Now, do a turbo fettled lump, with 400-420bhp and go play with the big boys.


See the second post on this thread

Mr E

21,631 posts

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Tuesday 9th November 2004
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DustyC said:

Mr E said:
330bhp?

Nice.

Now, do a turbo fettled lump, with 400-420bhp and go play with the big boys.



See the second post on this thread


<Mr Burns>

Excellent

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anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Shame it is a V6 rather than a straight 6 (as the preious Supra's were).

Twin Turbo

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267 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Other than its slightly dodgy front end (well, the lights anyway), the 2000GT was/is the finest looking Japanese car ever (excluding the 300ZX, of course )

I like the look of the car in that Japanese article, it's certainly shaping up nicely along 2000GT lines. That bum's a bit Aston Martin like too, albeit with "Lexus" style lights. I think the Bangle comments are a bit harsh, those look more like curves rather than Bangel creases to me.

Now, can we also have a proper replacement for the RX7 too. There's been rumours for a while, but I wanna see it NOW!

musketeer

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234 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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They need to knock off at least 200kg before they call that overweight scow a sportscar.

dinkel

26,959 posts

259 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Twin Turbo said:
I think the Bangle comments are a bit harsh, those look more like curves rather than Bangel creases to me.


I just like more flowing lines . . . Mmmh, almost TVRish.
Twin Turbo said:

Now, can we also have a proper replacement for the RX7 too. There's been rumours for a while, but I wanna see it NOW!

What's wrong with it!


I like the new Supra btw.

Twin Turbo

5,544 posts

267 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Don't get me wrong, I like the RX8, it's just that I prefered the more focused approach of the old RX7. Ditch the rear doors and give it some more poke. The power's not too bad, but it needs a shed-load more torque.

Oh, and where do you keep pulling all those pictures from? I love the look of that one too

>> Edited by Twin Turbo on Tuesday 9th November 20:31

tuttle

3,427 posts

238 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Looking forward to see what they come up with here BIG TIME:crazy:

targarama

14,635 posts

284 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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dinkel said:


Twin Turbo said:
I think the Bangle comments are a bit harsh, those look more like curves rather than Bangel creases to me.




I just like more flowing lines . . . Mmmh, almost TVRish.


[quote=Twin Turbo]
Now, can we also have a proper replacement for the RX7 too. There's been rumours for a while, but I wanna see it NOW!



Now that looks very nice indeed. Bring it on. Hope the interior isn't too plasticy though ...


>> Edited by targarama on Wednesday 10th November 08:11

dinkel

26,959 posts

259 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Twin Turbo said:
Don't get me wrong, I like the RX8. . . .
Oh, and where do you keep pulling all those pictures from? I love the look of that one too


Google - pictures : RX8 + 2005

It's so easy . . .