New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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cptsideways said:
An electronic plip'able version of that would be brillaint, you can buy remote fobs & relays for peanuts, maybe a potentially supurb solution.
You would need a HUGE relay to carry the current required. You could also use a latching relay hooked into the ignition circuit which would automatically 'arm' the circuit break once the engine is stopped. (So you don't forget to arm it when you get out.)mrmr96 said:
Your solution is not equivalent in terms of security or ease of use. (Since if the switch is well hidden then it will be a pain for you to use, but if it's convenient to use then it's not well hidden. The fob solution is effortless once fitted.)
That's wrong. A switch in the OBD lines can be left switched off at all times except when the car needs to go for service, at which time you use the switch to re-enable the port. So day-to-day there is nothing to remember to set, not even a button that you need to press, no fob to carry with you. r999 said:
mrmr96 said:
Your solution is not equivalent in terms of security or ease of use. (Since if the switch is well hidden then it will be a pain for you to use, but if it's convenient to use then it's not well hidden. The fob solution is effortless once fitted.)
That's wrong. A switch in the OBD lines can be left switched off at all times except when the car needs to go for service, at which time you use the switch to re-enable the port. So day-to-day there is nothing to remember to set, not even a button that you need to press, no fob to carry with you. And it's £297.50 cheaper
dave_s13 said:
r999 said:
mrmr96 said:
Your solution is not equivalent in terms of security or ease of use. (Since if the switch is well hidden then it will be a pain for you to use, but if it's convenient to use then it's not well hidden. The fob solution is effortless once fitted.)
That's wrong. A switch in the OBD lines can be left switched off at all times except when the car needs to go for service, at which time you use the switch to re-enable the port. So day-to-day there is nothing to remember to set, not even a button that you need to press, no fob to carry with you. And it's £297.50 cheaper
RUSTLE said:
My main indecision is what would be recognised for insurance when it comes to next renewal. Does anyone have any guidance / experience as to whether this is yet reflected in premiums and or what insurers may want as comfort - tracker? My premium is already around the £1k mark, don't really want a massive uplift if it can be mitigated.
don't procrastinate. i did. my M3 was stolen this morning. keys still in my possession. no glass at the scene. i knew of the problem (after purchase) but failed to really look into it. see, i only had the car a month.
so do something - today!
velocgee said:
RUSTLE said:
My main indecision is what would be recognised for insurance when it comes to next renewal. Does anyone have any guidance / experience as to whether this is yet reflected in premiums and or what insurers may want as comfort - tracker? My premium is already around the £1k mark, don't really want a massive uplift if it can be mitigated.
don't procrastinate. i did. my M3 was stolen this morning. keys still in my possession. no glass at the scene. i knew of the problem (after purchase) but failed to really look into it. see, i only had the car a month.
so do something - today!
My BMW 2006 540 got nicked over last Thursday night from Beckenham. One search landed me here. Same story - have both keys, no sign of any issue in the parking, they just drove off.
I just reported the topic to the BBC watchdog programme, just in case they can have BMW respond on it. Does anyone know that besides the police, is there a way so that BMW records a car as stolen, just in case ever crosses their dealership?
Other than that, looking at the abysimal recovery rate, I have no hope. Just should have invested in better security.
I just reported the topic to the BBC watchdog programme, just in case they can have BMW respond on it. Does anyone know that besides the police, is there a way so that BMW records a car as stolen, just in case ever crosses their dealership?
Other than that, looking at the abysimal recovery rate, I have no hope. Just should have invested in better security.
va1o said:
garyhun said:
Assuming my Z4 (E89) is an affected model (I don't know for sure) then it does not seem to affect insurance premiums. I had to renew this week and had no surprises at all.
It seems to be mainly the E60 5s, E90 3s, E82 1s and E70 X5s that are worst hit by thisTyrewrecker said:
velocgee said:
thanks. will do.
Bad luck. Not understanding this no glass thing. Key jamer perhaps?They are using more 'technical' means of creating a hole in the glass which won't leave any trace of broken glass on the ground.
Tyrewrecker said:
Bad luck. Not understanding this no glass thing. Key jamer perhaps?
i have no idea.i had earlier called BMW customers services (to rant) and they acknowledge there is an issue, though hastened to add that they are reviewing it with other manufacturers, stating it's an industry problem.
so it seems the denial stage has passed and are now into the acceptance stage. yes, but what we need is immediate resolution.
aeropilot said:
Nope. They arn't putting a brick through the window here!
They are using more 'technical' means of creating a hole in the glass which won't leave any trace of broken glass on the ground.
Or drilling the drivers door lock out, which is what they did to my E60 (I know as it was recovered by tracker). Pros - they did that less than 10m from where I was asleep, didn't hear a thing, nor did any of my neighbours. Quiet street of terraced houses. They are using more 'technical' means of creating a hole in the glass which won't leave any trace of broken glass on the ground.
Sorry to hear of recent losses, I hope this isn't the start of another large scale wave of thefts. Anyone in London who is aware and hasn't already taken preventative steps, do so NOW!
quick update - just had the bmw dealer on the phone (now week 4) bmw cant work out what the thieves have done every time they upload the software and run diagnostics its producing faults... and this is working double shifts (due to olympics) anyone else who suffered an OBD theft and got their P&J back run into this?
BMW not knowing their arse from their elbow when it comes to the electronics is nothing new.
My mate had a 135i .Went in for a 'software update' and cmae back running like a 118d. No guts ,no revs, no throttle response. They denied there was any fault until he got them to drive his and an identical un-broken one back to back. They couldn't find or fix the fault over a 2 month period, and eventually bought the car back off him.
BMW and software are not comfortable bedfellows at the moment.
My mate had a 135i .Went in for a 'software update' and cmae back running like a 118d. No guts ,no revs, no throttle response. They denied there was any fault until he got them to drive his and an identical un-broken one back to back. They couldn't find or fix the fault over a 2 month period, and eventually bought the car back off him.
BMW and software are not comfortable bedfellows at the moment.
I've been giving some more thought to how best to implement an isolator to the ODB port for my E61 5-series. However I have some questions, each with possible options.
How to disable the port?
a) A simple on/off switch
b) A series of DIP switches which have to be aligned in a particular sequence to complete the circuit.
c) A 3.5mm or maybe RJ45 socket with a plug 'key' wired in a particular way so that you have to insert the matching plug to complete the circuit.
Where to put the disabler?
a) Just inboard of the OBD port.
b) Somewhere deep in the footwell
c) Somewhere random
Which line(s) to break?
a) One of the power lines could be easy to circumvent, what if their device has a separate power supply?
b) One of the data lines, but which one(s) to ensure that the process can't be completed.
Anyone opinions on these options would be appreciated. I'll happily document the implementation process if anyone's interested.
How to disable the port?
a) A simple on/off switch
b) A series of DIP switches which have to be aligned in a particular sequence to complete the circuit.
c) A 3.5mm or maybe RJ45 socket with a plug 'key' wired in a particular way so that you have to insert the matching plug to complete the circuit.
Where to put the disabler?
a) Just inboard of the OBD port.
b) Somewhere deep in the footwell
c) Somewhere random
Which line(s) to break?
a) One of the power lines could be easy to circumvent, what if their device has a separate power supply?
b) One of the data lines, but which one(s) to ensure that the process can't be completed.
Anyone opinions on these options would be appreciated. I'll happily document the implementation process if anyone's interested.
Edited by theaxe on Wednesday 8th August 11:57
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