Conditional Based Servicing - do you rely on it?
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E65Ross said:
For those who think 15-20k miles is too long for oil changes, on what information are you basing that? Have you done oil sample analysis? I recall seeing a few years ago someone went through the trouble of getting their oil checked every 2k miles or so past 10k miles, and even at 20k miles it was showing that the oil was still doing a good job.
Have you seen a BMW oil filter after 20k miles, or an N46 that's had the BMW recommended oil change intervals? The filter will be a collapsed heap of paper. How about the N47, maybe these would last longer with 10k oil changes. Extended oil change intervals aren't for the good of the car or customer, they are designed to sell more cars by promising lower running costs.As always in this discussion, your car, your choice.
My first 2 were 2 litre diesels with the BMW Service Pack, so only ever done to the CBS standard.
The 320td was 4 years old with 45K miles on it when I sold it and was still running fine.
I had the 123d until it had 81K miles and was nearly 7 years old, and again it was running fine when I sold it. (I have to admit to concerns about the N47 cam-chain issues)!
But in both cases I was doing enough mileage for them to need attention based on mileage rather than time, which maybe helped.
Now I have discovered older straight 6 petrols as I am not doing the miles I will go with what my local BMW Independent recommends!
The 320td was 4 years old with 45K miles on it when I sold it and was still running fine.
I had the 123d until it had 81K miles and was nearly 7 years old, and again it was running fine when I sold it. (I have to admit to concerns about the N47 cam-chain issues)!
But in both cases I was doing enough mileage for them to need attention based on mileage rather than time, which maybe helped.
Now I have discovered older straight 6 petrols as I am not doing the miles I will go with what my local BMW Independent recommends!
How early do you think I can present my car for its second service while under care pack?
I've doing a lot of miles abroad in June so would like done before this as will go over do long miles. I've got about 2000 to go until the computer says it needs it,though previous experience says it will be less than this as the counter suddenly drops near the 1000 marker. Car is around 35,000.
I think fuel filter iisnt due until February next year, does the coolant get changed at this one too?
Car is about two years old so I've been happy with services so far, but my mileage is likely to drop after the summer and be much shorter journeys too - I doubt I'll get another service within the pack anyway as they've made it 50,000 rather than 60,000 on my old car. The only way would be if I did 7k mileage a year for next two years.
I've doing a lot of miles abroad in June so would like done before this as will go over do long miles. I've got about 2000 to go until the computer says it needs it,though previous experience says it will be less than this as the counter suddenly drops near the 1000 marker. Car is around 35,000.
I think fuel filter iisnt due until February next year, does the coolant get changed at this one too?
Car is about two years old so I've been happy with services so far, but my mileage is likely to drop after the summer and be much shorter journeys too - I doubt I'll get another service within the pack anyway as they've made it 50,000 rather than 60,000 on my old car. The only way would be if I did 7k mileage a year for next two years.
pauldavies85 said:
How early do you think I can present my car for its second service while under care pack?
I've doing a lot of miles abroad in June so would like done before this as will go over do long miles. I've got about 2000 to go until the computer says it needs it,though previous experience says it will be less than this as the counter suddenly drops near the 1000 marker. Car is around 35,000.
I think fuel filter iisnt due until February next year, does the coolant get changed at this one too?
Car is about two years old so I've been happy with services so far, but my mileage is likely to drop after the summer and be much shorter journeys too - I doubt I'll get another service within the pack anyway as they've made it 50,000 rather than 60,000 on my old car. The only way would be if I did 7k mileage a year for next two years.
When does the care pack run out?I've doing a lot of miles abroad in June so would like done before this as will go over do long miles. I've got about 2000 to go until the computer says it needs it,though previous experience says it will be less than this as the counter suddenly drops near the 1000 marker. Car is around 35,000.
I think fuel filter iisnt due until February next year, does the coolant get changed at this one too?
Car is about two years old so I've been happy with services so far, but my mileage is likely to drop after the summer and be much shorter journeys too - I doubt I'll get another service within the pack anyway as they've made it 50,000 rather than 60,000 on my old car. The only way would be if I did 7k mileage a year for next two years.
iSore said:
Anyone who sees the state of an oil filter after 15'000 miles would be changing the oil and filter every 10'000 miles. I've seen too many that have either collapsed or are in a very fragile state and fall to bits when removed. An oil change isn't expensive, but an engine swap is.
If an BMW-spec oil filter fitted by BMW failed within its expected lifetime I'd expect BMW to pick up the bill. Are you suggesting BMW fit parts that aren't fit for purpose?Monty Python said:
When does the care pack run out?
jAround 15,000 miles or 3 years, so 15,000 miles. So guess I'll get this service and the fuel filter change.
Surprised coolant doesn't get changed?
When do people think gearbox/dif oil is worth looking at?
I struggle with sealed for life policy!
pauldavies85 said:
How early do you think I can present my car for its second service while under care pack?
I've doing a lot of miles abroad in June so would like done before this as will go over do long miles. I've got about 2000 to go until the computer says it needs it,though previous experience says it will be less than this as the counter suddenly drops near the 1000 marker. Car is around 35,000.
Car is about two years old so I've been happy with services so far, but my mileage is likely to drop after the summer and be much shorter journeys too - I doubt I'll get another service within the pack anyway as they've made it 50,000 rather than 60,000 on my old car. The only way would be if I did 7k mileage a year for next two years.
They will only change it up to 1000 miles prior under the service pack.I've doing a lot of miles abroad in June so would like done before this as will go over do long miles. I've got about 2000 to go until the computer says it needs it,though previous experience says it will be less than this as the counter suddenly drops near the 1000 marker. Car is around 35,000.
Car is about two years old so I've been happy with services so far, but my mileage is likely to drop after the summer and be much shorter journeys too - I doubt I'll get another service within the pack anyway as they've made it 50,000 rather than 60,000 on my old car. The only way would be if I did 7k mileage a year for next two years.
Over the reduction in mileage I doubt many will get 3 services out them really now (unless you go for it everywhere and anywhere). Main problem is most will probably get about 18K between service (at least on my reading). Hence the reason I think BMW reduced the mileage to 50k from 60k. Obviously, saying it is a 5 year or 50K service pack sounds better than it being a shorter time period.
Defcon5 said:
do you do 5k every 12 months or something?
When I used to do about 10k a year in it the service schedule as per the indicator normally included 1 oil service and one inspection (which also includes an oil service). So 2 oil changes over a 12 period roughly at 5k intervals.Edited by eztiger328 on Friday 13th May 17:06
Locknut said:
I also agree with the intermediate oil change and do it myself.
I would also check the brake pads rather than rely on CBS. There is one sensor on the front left wheel and one on the rear right, so only two of the eight pads are monitered. It's too much to expect that all pads will wear evenly and at the same rate, especially as the car gets older.
Yep, don't rely on it for brakes - I had a 57 plate 330, the rear brake calliper got stuck so only one pad was wearing - and it wasn't the one with the sensor on. The grinding noise of metal on metal was a surprise given the 20,000 life the idrive told me I had!I would also check the brake pads rather than rely on CBS. There is one sensor on the front left wheel and one on the rear right, so only two of the eight pads are monitered. It's too much to expect that all pads will wear evenly and at the same rate, especially as the car gets older.
Always do an extra oil change between the recommended intervals. Always check everything I can at least every couple of weeks, although the best I can do for oil level these days is run the measurement routine, what's wrong with a good old fashioned dip stick! Break disks and pads I check when washing the car, along with tyre tread depth and pressure and always give other fluid levels a quick check too.
ftypical said:
I would note that topping up the engine oil (on BMW/Mini engines that use oil within the specified tolerance), leads to ever extending Service Indicator readings. So it appears to be entirely based on the colour of the oil...
It does a bit more than that:http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...
ftypical said:
I would note that topping up the engine oil (on BMW/Mini engines that use oil within the specified tolerance), leads to ever extending Service Indicator readings. So it appears to be entirely based on the colour of the oil...
I don't believe that to be correct. I can only see that happening, and even then it being very likely, if you're running the car until it shows a minimum reading on the dipstick and you are then adding oil until it indicates maximum.Edited by MrBarry123 on Wednesday 18th May 15:34
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