F10 535D: Consensus Tyre Choice?

[Welshbeef]

drmark said:

The extra width is internal, ie the narrower wheel/ tyres sit flush with the bodywork but don't extend so far in so car look the same at a glance. And you can run saloon spec rears on the F11 too - there is room.

Does that mean F10 could fit wider rears? If they so wanted 300 rears??

[ocsine]

drmark said:

Happy to lend you a pair to try when I switch to winters if you live near Glos - they have new Michelins on.
About £1k with tyres and a bit of negotiation but loads on ebay.

Thanks Mark but I'm up in Kenilworth, a bit of a round trip on already bald rubber

Wished I'd taken the plunge and bought the Alpina D5 Touring that I was salivating over originally

I'll take a look on eBay for the wheels and compare the Dunlops to the Goodyear tyres. Anyone know what model wheels these are?

Edited by ocsine on Saturday 1st November 23:25

[gizlaroc]

My 335i touring came with staggered set up and I am sure my 320d did as well, both m-sports.

SE models on 17s probably come the same all round.

[Welshbeef]

If you want D5 you can use superchips/Hartage etcetera to get you up to that power and performance threshold - though clearly not the suspension (which I find perfectly fine).

[ocsine]

I think the adaptive suspension is perfectly resolved so no need for an upgrade there. If the Hartge upgrade could be reversed easily to protect residuals then I would consider it.

[Fox-]

E65Ross said:

275 rear section tyres on my 7 series running Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 tyres and they're certainly not noisy. In fact, it's among one of the quietest cars I've been in. Thoroughly recommend those tyres.

I have just fitted 4 of these to my F10 to replace the RFT's fitted to it as standard and it's almost ruined the internal ambience of the car. There is a constant droning noise which went away when I put the wheels with the RFT's back on. Enormously disappointed and very surprised because like you I've run F1A2's on my other cars for years and never been anything but very very happy with them.

Considering selling them as part worn (Though they are on 8mm all round) so if anyone wants a set for F10 19's...

[Fox-]

ocsine said:

I'll take a look on eBay for the wheels and compare the Dunlops to the Goodyear tyres. Anyone know what model wheels these are?

They are Style 351M, same as mine:

[Welshbeef]

ocsine said:

I think the adaptive suspension is perfectly resolved so no need for an upgrade there. If the Hartge upgrade could be reversed easily to protect residuals then I would consider it.

They are remaps so in theory you should simply be able to revert to standard if you choose - Free if charge.

Question is does it pose any long term risk to the gearbox - logically not as the D5 exists with the exact same drivetrain. 350-365 bhp would be 550d or A8 4.2 V8 TDI levels - taking what is already a weapon and turning it into a beast .

[ocsine]

Fox- said:

I have just fitted 4 of these to my F10 to replace the RFT's fitted to it as standard and it's almost ruined the internal ambience of the car. There is a constant droning noise which went away when I put the wheels with the RFT's back on. Enormously disappointed and very surprised because like you I've run F1A2's on my other cars for years and never been anything but very very happy with them.
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Herein lies the issue with tyres: one man's meat is another man's poison. The UK motoring press don't adequately benchmark tyres but I suppose it doesn't sell copy. I have read rave reviews for the Goodyear tyres elsewhere on PH but Fox's review essentially kills the F1A2s dead in the water. I'll reconsider the Dunlop Sport Maxx GTs on 245 all round as per Mark's suggestion.

[E65Ross]

Fox- said:

E65Ross said:

275 rear section tyres on my 7 series running Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 tyres and they're certainly not noisy. In fact, it's among one of the quietest cars I've been in. Thoroughly recommend those tyres.

I have just fitted 4 of these to my F10 to replace the RFT's fitted to it as standard and it's almost ruined the internal ambience of the car. There is a constant droning noise which went away when I put the wheels with the RFT's back on. Enormously disappointed and very surprised because like you I've run F1A2's on my other cars for years and never been anything but very very happy with them.

Considering selling them as part worn (Though they are on 8mm all round) so if anyone wants a set for F10 19's...

This really surprises me. Especially considering you ran them on the E39. I've had them on the E38 and I've got them on the back of the E65. I should be getting my car back today with 4 new Goodyear F1A2s all round (plus 4 new springs, various filters etc....should feel a bit different!!)

I recall when I changed the rears from Falken FK453s to the Goodyears there was a marginal reduction in tyre noise at the back, so I'm guessing it should be quieter still for me with them all round. I've only been in 1 F10 5 series (also a 530d) and was quite impressed with its refinement, it was right up there with the E65, but perhaps a tad more noisy.

[ocsine]

Welshbeef said:

Question is does it pose any long term risk to the gearbox - logically not as the D5 exists with the exact same drivetrain. 350-365 bhp would be 550d or A8 4.2 V8 TDI levels - taking what is already a weapon and turning it into a beast .

365 bhp & 600+ NM of torque on 245 rear section tyres could be an interesting combination!

[converted lurker]

I have an F10 535d SE running Dunlop sportmax GT runflats and with adaptive drive on 18 inch rims - I wanted as plush a ride as BMW offers having lived over the years with an MSport suspended E61 and Mk1 Z4. My back couldn't take any more punishment from the roads of Herefordshire/Gloucestershire/Somerset!

I have recently taken off the Dunlops which were getting much noisier as they approached the wear limits. I have fitted Eagle F1 NON runflats and they are notably quieter. However of course this is to compare very worn tyres with new tyres. I am not finding the Eagle F1 assymetric to be noisy - they are definitely less noisy than the worn Dunlops were.

My car has 245/50 R18 all round.

Now.

This morning I have taken off the 18 inch wheels and put on the 17 inch rims fitted with Dunlop 3D WinterSports on Run flats sized 225/55. I have only driven about 60 miles on these and I only bought them off eBay (£775) a couple of weeks ago.

They are REALLY nice. A notable difference. Quiet, very quiet. Also the ride is plush, over ruts and ridges in Comfort mode it is better even than my Dads Jag XF on 17 inch non runflats and I thought that was pretty silky,

So far I don't seem to any notable problems with rear traction when using the heavy right foot. There must be less overall grip but it feels fine in the dry on a quickish blast on some twisty B roads. I'm wondering if when the winter tyres are worn whether I keep the car on 17 inch alloys all year round.

[335d]

converted lurker said:

I have an F10 535d SE...

My car has 245/50 R18 all round.

The factory size with optional 18" non-staggered wheels would have been 245/45 R 18 I believe.

If you do have a 50 aspect ratio, you have an extra 12.25mm of height and your speedo will under-read by about 3.6%, relative to the factory specification tyres.

They would give a slightly more compliant ride though.

[gizlaroc]

I had Dunlop Wintersport 4Ds on my Merc and it was so quiet and comfortable that I swapped the Continatal Summer tyres with the Sportmaxx GT. Again that was as good if not better, almost silent road noise wise.

Runflats are just noisy by their nature really.

I put Goodyear Eagle Assymetricals on my 535d when I got it, after reading the rave reviews, but found them really noisy after the Pirelli P Zerro Rossos, so took them straight off and put more Pirellis on.
This was the gen 1 version.

But in a Golf GTi with them and thought they were great. I guess that is why tyre reviews are worthless unless it is being reviewed on your car.

[Welshbeef]

ocsine said:

Welshbeef said:

Question is does it pose any long term risk to the gearbox - logically not as the D5 exists with the exact same drivetrain. 350-365 bhp would be 550d or A8 4.2 V8 TDI levels - taking what is already a weapon and turning it into a beast .

365 bhp & 600+ NM of torque on 245 rear section tyres could be an interesting combination!

I'm on 275 rears with the F10 - which should help a bit.

[ocsine]

converted lurker said:

This morning I have taken off the 18 inch wheels and put on the 17 inch rims fitted with Dunlop 3D WinterSports on Run flats sized 225/55. I have only driven about 60 miles on these and I only bought them off eBay (£775) a couple of weeks ago.

Damn, that sounds good but what do 17" 225/55 look like on a 535d? I know aesthetics should be secondary but I'm shallow... any chance of a piccie-wic?

[drmark]

gizlaroc said:

I had Dunlop Wintersport 4Ds on my Merc and it was so quiet and comfortable that I swapped the Continatal Summer tyres with the Sportmaxx GT. Again that was as good if not better, almost silent road noise wise.

Runflats are just noisy by their nature really.

I put Goodyear Eagle Assymetricals on my 535d when I got it, after reading the rave reviews, but found them really noisy after the Pirelli P Zerro Rossos, so took them straight off and put more Pirellis on.
This was the gen 1 version.

But in a Golf GTi with them and thought they were great. I guess that is why tyre reviews are worthless unless it is being reviewed on your car.

I took a near new set off my E61 of Eagles because they droned so much. Thought a bearing had gone. Never again.

Edited by drmark on Monday 3rd November 20:39

[Fox-]

ocsine said:

Herein lies the issue with tyres: one man's meat is another man's poison. The UK motoring press don't adequately benchmark tyres but I suppose it doesn't sell copy. I have read rave reviews for the Goodyear tyres elsewhere on PH but Fox's review essentially kills the F1A2s dead in the water. I'll reconsider the Dunlop Sport Maxx GTs on 245 all round as per Mark's suggestion.

I dont think there is an issue with the F1A2 generally just the ones I have. I have them on my 530i as well and they are absolutely great - which is why I ordered them for the F10!

[Welshbeef]

Know this is the tyre thread but just filled up and my OBC is under reading its actually doing better MPG that the car is telling me....

Really is a great car comfort effortless pace and IMHO looks really good - docile when you want and can turn into a weapon if you so choose.

Very pleased with the purchase.

[ocsine]

Fox- said:

I dont think there is an issue with the F1A2 generally just the ones I have. I have them on my 530i as well and they are absolutely great - which is why I ordered them for the F10!

Did you think they were a bad quality set or just didn't work with your car's setup?