Why shouldn't I buy an F10 535d?
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DuckDuck said:
282 BHP was aluminium (e60/e61. it was the older one again that was Iron 272bhp (pre LCI) . The f10 received 299bhp and the latest euro 5 and 6, 309 bhp versions.
I had thought the 282bhp version in the LCI E60/E61 was the first of the new gen aluminium engines, but wikipedia says it had the M57 which was iron-blocked. It seems the E90/E92 335d stuck with the M57 too, despite the 330d getting the aluminium N57.Edited by DuckDuck on Monday 8th June 18:59
DuckDuck said:
282 BHP was aluminium (e60/e61. it was the older one again that was Iron 272bhp (pre LCI) . The f10 received 299bhp and the latest euro 5 and 6, 309 bhp versions.
So to avoid the complexity of the Euro6 element, I need a 309bhp version? Edited by DuckDuck on Monday 8th June 18:59
DuckDuck said:
Bincenzo said:
So to avoid the complexity of the Euro6 element, I need a 309bhp version?
Sorry may have confused things. My understanding is that the most recent engines are 309hp from about 2011/2012 which are euro 5 but the latest version is euro 6 compliant, still with 309hp.Duck
Bincenzo said:
Ok, thanks. I'm getting concerned that if we think the Euro6 ruling is likely to limit resale value/desirability, or movement around the country (London limiting movement of diesel cars), it's getting outside of my budget. I test drove a 2014 version this weekend, and this was definitely Euro6 compliant. I don't think £30k will cut it.
If you are planning to hang on to the car for more than a couple of years, the EU6 rating could begin to make a difference. If the restriction happens, it is likely to be more than just London in my view. A few other urban areas with a focus on green issues will jump on the same bandwagon. Bristol and Brighton spring to mind, but probably a few others too. Right now there doesn't appear to be any obvious price differentiation between EU5/6, beyond that due to the age of the car. Just something to bear in mind. The EU5/6 status is recorded on the V5C.Bincenzo said:
Ok, thanks. I'm getting concerned that if we think the Euro6 ruling is likely to limit resale value/desirability, or movement around the country (London limiting movement of diesel cars), it's getting outside of my budget. I test drove a 2014 version this weekend, and this was definitely Euro6 compliant. I don't think £30k will cut it.
If you are planning to hang on to the car for more than a couple of years, the EU6 rating could begin to make a difference. If the restriction happens, it is likely to be more than just London in my view. A few other urban areas with a focus on green issues will jump on the same bandwagon. Bristol and Brighton spring to mind, but probably a few others too. Right now there doesn't appear to be any obvious price differentiation between EU5/6, beyond that due to the age of the car. Just something to bear in mind. The EU5/6 status is recorded on the V5C.Edited by 335d on Monday 8th June 22:43
335d said:
If you are planning to hang on to the car for more than a couple of years, the EU6 rating could begin to make a difference. If the restriction happens, it is likely to be more than just London in my view. A few other urban areas with a focus on green issues will jump on the same bandwagon. Bristol and Brighton spring to mind, but probably a few others too. Right now there doesn't appear to be any obvious price differentiation between EU5/6, beyond that due to the age of the car. Just something to bear in mind. The EU5/6 status is recorded on the V5C.
Great info, thanks. I'm likely to keep the car for about 4 years, so this may well be a factor. It may already have been mentioned,but what is the oldest MY that has EU 6 status? Ie, the cheapest one I can get?Edited by 335d on Monday 8th June 22:43
Bincenzo said:
Great info, thanks. I'm likely to keep the car for about 4 years, so this may well be a factor. It may already have been mentioned,but what is the oldest MY that has EU 6 status? Ie, the cheapest one I can get?
Selling your car around 2019, this could well be highly relevant to resale value, despite being virtually ignored right now. I know that the 335d was EU6 from launch in mid 2013. I think the change to EU6 will have happened on the 535d in 2012 or 2013. Perhaps those with 535d models could give us their build month and EU5/6 status from the V5C? 335d
DuckDuck, mine is the pre LCI motor and is Euro5. If I drive exactly to the speed limit (I tried this once) on a 90 mile journey from the countryside down a motorway, through a city and out the other side again I can (with gentle acceleration but sticking to each limit encountered) with normal diesel achieve 43.9mpg on the journey. I have 18 inch wheel in the summer with Michelin HP Primacy tyres. As there is NO POINT having a 535d if you are going to drive like this I have a long term average of 38.7 as I do extended the rev range from time to time.
As an aside, I did once as an experiment test a tank of red diesel. The MPG dropped to 37.1mpg. Which was about a 5% drop on what I would have expected. The car ran fine but I could detect a slight smell to the exhaust fumes but maybe that was in my head. Due to a miscalculation I arrived somewhere without enough fuel to make it to the nearest fuel station so a drop of red was the only way. As you can be hung for a lamb or sheep I filled the tank. There have been no long term effects.
I don't believe the Euro5 ban will be implemented. As it gets close the public outrage at the sheer number of cars impacted will be huge. It will throw a spotlight on the fact that it is the buses that cause the majority of particulate emissions in the cities. They won't like that.
I like my 535d but next time I might look at petrol. Despite doing 20,000 miles a year I am not convinced that the numbers stack up these days for diesel. Especially is like me you like to buy 3 or 4 year old cars and take them well past 100,000 miles. The DPF issue is a big one and modern petrols are getting very good when compared to high performance diesels.
As an aside, I did once as an experiment test a tank of red diesel. The MPG dropped to 37.1mpg. Which was about a 5% drop on what I would have expected. The car ran fine but I could detect a slight smell to the exhaust fumes but maybe that was in my head. Due to a miscalculation I arrived somewhere without enough fuel to make it to the nearest fuel station so a drop of red was the only way. As you can be hung for a lamb or sheep I filled the tank. There have been no long term effects.
I don't believe the Euro5 ban will be implemented. As it gets close the public outrage at the sheer number of cars impacted will be huge. It will throw a spotlight on the fact that it is the buses that cause the majority of particulate emissions in the cities. They won't like that.
I like my 535d but next time I might look at petrol. Despite doing 20,000 miles a year I am not convinced that the numbers stack up these days for diesel. Especially is like me you like to buy 3 or 4 year old cars and take them well past 100,000 miles. The DPF issue is a big one and modern petrols are getting very good when compared to high performance diesels.
Must say I am contemplating petrol - current car is petrol (Outback 3.0) and everyone who has a lift comments on how smooth it is. But where are the 535i's? I cannot find any! Not interested in 4 cylinders, thanks - though driving a 520d this Friday to see if I could contemplate one through the business... Also test driving new XC90 soon, I hope. Not sure I could bring myself to buy a new 535i touring but if buying privately it would be a 530d, 535d or 535i
drmark said:
Problem is if you push on. In my experience the big diesels rarely drop below 36/37 mpg. While petrols are worryingly easy to get into the twenties (at least the 335i I drove was).
I've just filled the tank on my 530d. Calculated average over this tank was 25.1mpg.Where does this myth that these cars rarely drop below 36/37mpg come from? Unless you do predominantly long journeys then they OFTEN dip below 36/37mpg.
If you are into the twenties on a 335i you'll be mid 30's best on a 35d. In my experience you can count on about 8mpg, perhaps 10 if you are very lucky, more than the petrol version.
Fox- said:
drmark said:
Problem is if you push on. In my experience the big diesels rarely drop below 36/37 mpg. While petrols are worryingly easy to get into the twenties (at least the 335i I drove was).
I've just filled the tank on my 530d. Calculated average over this tank was 25.1mpg.Where does this myth that these cars rarely drop below 36/37mpg come from? Unless you do predominantly long journeys then they OFTEN dip below 36/37mpg.
If you are into the twenties on a 335i you'll be mid 30's best on a 35d. In my experience you can count on about 8mpg, perhaps 10 if you are very lucky, more than the petrol version.
Fox- said:
drmark said:
Problem is if you push on. In my experience the big diesels rarely drop below 36/37 mpg. While petrols are worryingly easy to get into the twenties (at least the 335i I drove was).
I've just filled the tank on my 530d. Calculated average over this tank was 25.1mpg.Where does this myth that these cars rarely drop below 36/37mpg come from? Unless you do predominantly long journeys then they OFTEN dip below 36/37mpg.
If you are into the twenties on a 335i you'll be mid 30's best on a 35d. In my experience you can count on about 8mpg, perhaps 10 if you are very lucky, more than the petrol version.
To be honest, unless you were driving in a city all the time, if you only averaged 25.1 you've a problem with your car IMO.
I have an F10 530D. Typically it averages mid 40s with mixed use. Just used on short (<10 mile) runs up and down it still averages over 40 though that is very rarely in town/city, just shorter runs. I don't think i could get it do do only 25 over a tankful.
Over the last few days we've been from Norfolk to Lancashire, over to York and back home today via Leicester. Averaged 36mpg - in the wife's 350SLK! I'd have been very disappointed to have used the 530 and only achieved that sort of mileage.
REALIST123 said:
But you say on your profile that you're averaging 36mpg?
Yes, infact my longtime average is currently 34.7. But in order to average that it's clearly the case that it often goes below that (and sometimes above, my record is 48mpg). REALIST123 said:
To be honest, unless you were driving in a city all the time, if you only averaged 25.1 you've a problem with your car IMO.
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