Interesting Cat & Fiddle Fail
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Jazoli said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
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k you too, get yourself to Croft in a couple of months so old BN can tear you a new ahole.
Oh matron, whats that for then grandad? are you wobbling around at the back again at a TD?k you too, get yourself to Croft in a couple of months so old BN can tear you a new ahole.te.
I don't use the rear brake, I'm learning to use the front fairly hard instead. I'm not sure I have the skill to not overdo rear braking in an emergency. Also, from my experience, I usually find that steering trumps braking to a stop in crash avoidance. So I prioritise steering over stopping and I'm not good enough to modulate the rear brake well.
Two VERY different riders/scenarios...we shouldn't confuse them...
Rider A doesn't know how to steer his motorbike, runs wide at 40% of the capability of his machine.
Rider B knows how to steer his motorbike, runs wide at 101% of the capability of his machine.
Rider A types outnumber Rider B types about 1000 to 1.
Rider A will have amazing tales of derring-do, but really he just doesn't know how to steer.
Rider B is a "complete fvcking lunatic" or "John McGuinness" or someone in between.
Rider A doesn't know how to steer his motorbike, runs wide at 40% of the capability of his machine.
Rider B knows how to steer his motorbike, runs wide at 101% of the capability of his machine.
Rider A types outnumber Rider B types about 1000 to 1.
Rider A will have amazing tales of derring-do, but really he just doesn't know how to steer.
Rider B is a "complete fvcking lunatic" or "John McGuinness" or someone in between.
Purity14 said:
Im no riding god, but i use my back brake frequently.
I used to be part of the front brake only parade though, so i understand where you are coming from.
Personally I don't use the rear in emergency braking, but sometimes I will find myself on a long corner where the road surface changes and the speed I am traveling at is unsuitable.
If I let off the throttle, i go wide. (Im on a vtwin, so it will dive)
If I apply front brake, i go wide.
If I don't change any throttle movements and just apply rear brake, I slow down, and my line tightens.
The back wheel will not lock up due to you giving it throttle, and the bike wont dive out wide.
Similarly you can apply the back brake even on nice grippy tarmac after you have left the apex of a corner to stop yourself running wide without having to let off the throttle and put it back on again.
Someone behind might think you are mad with your brake lights on whilst you are accelerating out of a bend, so watch out for them thinking there is a hazard
Both of the road bikes I've owned (zxr400 and SP1) haven't really shown a strong tendency to run wide under brakes, or under power. They just go where I steer for the most part, so maybe I've been spoiled!I used to be part of the front brake only parade though, so i understand where you are coming from.
Personally I don't use the rear in emergency braking, but sometimes I will find myself on a long corner where the road surface changes and the speed I am traveling at is unsuitable.
If I let off the throttle, i go wide. (Im on a vtwin, so it will dive)
If I apply front brake, i go wide.
If I don't change any throttle movements and just apply rear brake, I slow down, and my line tightens.
The back wheel will not lock up due to you giving it throttle, and the bike wont dive out wide.
Similarly you can apply the back brake even on nice grippy tarmac after you have left the apex of a corner to stop yourself running wide without having to let off the throttle and put it back on again.
Someone behind might think you are mad with your brake lights on whilst you are accelerating out of a bend, so watch out for them thinking there is a hazard
Purity14 said:
I can understand with them being IL4s not running 'too' wide when letting off the throttle.
But are you saying that you can be cranked over during a corner and apply your front brake and maintain the same line as you were prior to braking?
The SP1 is a twin. With remarkably little engine braking though.But are you saying that you can be cranked over during a corner and apply your front brake and maintain the same line as you were prior to braking?
As I apply the front brake I steer in a bit to maintain the line, I'm not cranked right over though, I'm probably only using 50-70% of the grip.
Purity14 said:
Im no riding god, but i use my back brake frequently.
I used to be part of the front brake only parade though, so i understand where you are coming from.
Personally I don't use the rear in emergency braking, but sometimes I will find myself on a long corner where the road surface changes and the speed I am traveling at is unsuitable.
If I let off the throttle, i go wide. (Im on a vtwin, so it will dive)
If I apply front brake, i go wide.
If I don't change any throttle movements and just apply rear brake, I slow down, and my line tightens.
The back wheel will not lock up due to you giving it throttle, and the bike wont dive out wide.
Similarly you can apply the back brake even on nice grippy tarmac after you have left the apex of a corner to stop yourself running wide without having to let off the throttle and put it back on again.
Someone behind might think you are mad with your brake lights on whilst you are accelerating out of a bend, so watch out for them thinking there is a hazard
I remember following someone a few years ago who came out with a story like yours. In reality he was using the rear brake for no good reason, more often than not just at the point where I was opening the throttle. He thought he was doing things well, I thought he was a liability. I used to be part of the front brake only parade though, so i understand where you are coming from.
Personally I don't use the rear in emergency braking, but sometimes I will find myself on a long corner where the road surface changes and the speed I am traveling at is unsuitable.
If I let off the throttle, i go wide. (Im on a vtwin, so it will dive)
If I apply front brake, i go wide.
If I don't change any throttle movements and just apply rear brake, I slow down, and my line tightens.
The back wheel will not lock up due to you giving it throttle, and the bike wont dive out wide.
Similarly you can apply the back brake even on nice grippy tarmac after you have left the apex of a corner to stop yourself running wide without having to let off the throttle and put it back on again.
Someone behind might think you are mad with your brake lights on whilst you are accelerating out of a bend, so watch out for them thinking there is a hazard
LoonR1 said:
I remember following someone a few years ago who came out with a story like yours. In reality he was using the rear brake for no good reason, more often than not just at the point where I was opening the throttle. He thought he was doing things well, I thought he was a liability.
Not directing any criticism in Purity's direction, but I also had a similar experience. I visited the TT a few years back, where I got chatting to a fellow rider about riding techniques, I was on my little 400, he was on a nice Ducati 996. He asked me whether I use the rear brake, I said not really, he then explained all of the advantages...like "backing it in at speed" to stop the "front end washing out"...He asked me to follow him....which was interesting, as he was actually living in some sort of amazing, almost Walter Mitty on a GP bike, world. He was slow as fvck. Wobbling all over the shop. It was very embarrassing when he pulled over to have a chat about the last 10 miles.Kawasicki said:
Not directing any criticism in Purity's direction, but I also had a similar experience. I visited the TT a few years back, where I got chatting to a fellow rider about riding techniques, I was on my little 400, he was on a nice Ducati 996. He asked me whether I use the rear brake, I said not really, he then explained all of the advantages...like "backing it in at speed" to stop the "front end washing out"...He asked me to follow him....which was interesting, as he was actually living in some sort of amazing, almost Walter Mitty on a GP bike, world. He was slow as fvck. Wobbling all over the shop. It was very embarrassing when he pulled over to have a chat about the last 10 miles.
Unfortunately these people do seem to inhabit the biking world. Fortunately I've only ever come across one or two. One claimed he was doing BSB lap times on a trackday....I didn't see him pass me all day, and he ran off the track a few times. Very odd behaviour.
moanthebairns said:
im becoming quite good a skids with my back brake, I like to have it set up so its off or full on as it does nothing on the road expect make me feel like im ten as I skid the bike to a stop.
The times ive been had a whack off my Dad for wearing out rear tyres 
Put a can between the frame and tyre to because it sounds like a motorbike
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