Bikes are slow...
Discussion
Biker's Nemesis said:
y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.
forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes
SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88
you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule
fair enough?
now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are
Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:15
This vid sums it up more than, a pile of performance figues could.
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/motorc...
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/motorc...
Distorshion wave said:
This vid sums it up more than, a pile of performance figues could.
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/motorc...
can't see the vid but the fastest thing he (Jay Leno) owns is a motorbike http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/motorc...
MTT Y2K
google it!!!!
so yeah cars are still slow
Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:06
fergus said:
MC Bodge said:
A bike is more difficult and requires more commitment to ride fast.
For various reasons, almost any bike is more fun than almost any car and that is before you you throw in cost.
You've obviously never a race car setup for slicks? For various reasons, almost any bike is more fun than almost any car and that is before you you throw in cost.
I've certainly not seen many on the road. Never mind one that you could pick up for ~1500quid and that would just need filling up petrol every time it is used rather than a load of maintenance.
Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 13th May 14:11
jp-speed-triple said:
RobM77 said:
Castrol Craig said:
RobM77 said:
Finally, I wish people would stop comparing race rep superbikes with big comfy supercars. It's not a fair comparison. The car equivalent of an R1 is a road legal Radical, which would blow an R1 into the weeds (yes, I've checked the lap times and it's about 6 seconds per minute, which is the difference between my old racing Metro and my racing Caterham...).
Both have endearing qualities though :-) I 'm happy liking both :-)
id have to disagree with you there chap.Both have endearing qualities though :-) I 'm happy liking both :-)
you bring your a radical with you driving and i will provide a BB Member with a modern sportsbike. i can bet a tube of jaffa cakes that your not within 6 seconds BEHIND him, let alone in front.
and to the op,
Which Radical? There are a number of different ones you know? I seriously doubt an 1100cc Kwaker clubby would stand a chance. A 1585cc super sport spec PR06...is a different animal BUT you couldn't drive it on 'road' anyway, so not a comparison. The SR3 in road legal trim weighs a tonne, so don't just assume all Radicals are created equal.
FFS stop waving your cock around.
By the way, you've got your race tracks the wrong way round: Snet favours bikes and Brands would favour a car.
As the OP didn't mention lap times or suchlike, the argument is moot. bhing about who get's in who's way on a motorway is just plain childish. Even 40 Tonne trucks get held up by cars that can go faster than 60 mph on a motorway.
We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
Mad Jock said:
As the OP didn't mention lap times or suchlike, the argument is moot. bhing about who get's in who's way on a motorway is just plain childish. Even 40 Tonne trucks get held up by cars that can go faster than 60 mph on a motorway.
We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
yep cars are slow in real world situations We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
bikes rule
thanks
y2blade said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.
forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes
SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88
you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule
fair enough?
now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are
Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03
Given Pond's time in a lumbering great front wheel drive car with a wheezy engine, I've no doubt that the diferences between cars and bikes on track would map to the TT course. I can't see any reason why not.
y2blade said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.
forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes
SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88
you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule
fair enough?
now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are
Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03
Go down something like the B660 (northampton) on a bike vs a quick caterham, etc, and I don't think there would be a lot in it.
y2blade said:
Mad Jock said:
As the OP didn't mention lap times or suchlike, the argument is moot. bhing about who get's in who's way on a motorway is just plain childish. Even 40 Tonne trucks get held up by cars that can go faster than 60 mph on a motorway.
We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
yep cars are slow in real world situations We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
bikes rule
thanks
Compare the two on the road and the bike would just clear off. Bikes are inherently much better suited to covering ground on a road, because firstly the rider sits much higher than a car for better visibility, secondly a bike is thinner so it can overtake at will, and lastly it's unsafe for a car to use its advantages of superior braking and cornering.
Speed on the road - bike everytime. And by a huuuge margin.
Speed on the track - it's the car; sorry, but lap times don't lie.
RobM77 said:
y2blade said:
Mad Jock said:
As the OP didn't mention lap times or suchlike, the argument is moot. bhing about who get's in who's way on a motorway is just plain childish. Even 40 Tonne trucks get held up by cars that can go faster than 60 mph on a motorway.
We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
yep cars are slow in real world situations We're all petrolheads here, whether it's cars or bikes. I've had my share of both. On the right road, in the right conditions, (ie, no-one else around)it is undeniably a rush to thread some bends together, hang the tail out or hang off, bike or car. The odd car to challenge your overtaking timing and ability just to throw a bit more spice into the journey. The Horseshoe Pass, the Cat and Fiddle, anywhere North of Fort William, to suggest a few roads, all to yourself, dry, sunny; just driving heaven. An absolute blast on a Ducati, Blade, R1, or in a Radical, Zonda, Ferrari or whatever. In the best of worlds, it would be great to have a stable of bikes and cars.
Sadly, today our roads aren't like that, most of the time. Speed cameras, unmarked plod, caravans, coaches, tractors all conspire to hold us up. In your Zonda or Caterham, you're too low to see past the exhaust pipe of the Micra in front of you, too low to see over the slightest rise in the road ahead.
On the Blade, R1 or whatever, 'tis but a couple of cogs downshift and you're past. What's that up ahead? Roadworks and temporary traffic lights? Just filter to the front of the queue.
The difference between a fast car and a fast bike on normal roads is that the bike will make progress 99% of the time.
Which is why some of the car drivers on these forums moan so much about bikes filtering past them in rush hour. At the end of the day, it's not about absolute speed, but who gets to their destination first, (and in one piece).
No prizes for guessing who that is.
bikes rule
thanks
Compare the two on the road and the bike would just clear off. Bikes are inherently much better suited to covering ground on a road, because firstly the rider sits much higher than a car for better visibility, secondly a bike is thinner so it can overtake at will, and lastly it's unsafe for a car to use its advantages of superior braking and cornering.
Speed on the road - bike everytime. And by a huuuge margin.
Speed on the track - it's the car; sorry, but lap times don't lie.
MC Bodge said:
fergus said:
MC Bodge said:
A bike is more difficult and requires more commitment to ride fast.
For various reasons, almost any bike is more fun than almost any car and that is before you you throw in cost.
You've obviously never a race car setup for slicks? For various reasons, almost any bike is more fun than almost any car and that is before you you throw in cost.
I've certainly not seen many on the road. Never mind one that you could pick up for ~1500quid and that would just need filling up petrol every time it is used rather than a load of maintenance.
Try driving a non current generation GT3 *quickly*.
Bikes are the same. John (BN) can ride *quickly*, however, most people would be on their arses at a point prior to this. Defining *fast* in these cases is the difficult thing. e.g. most intermediates at a t/day think they are 'fast'. Get them out with Steve Brogan, etc, they wil have their definitions of fast recalibrated.
Likewise, go out with a highly skilled road car driver, and he will show how quickly a car can be piloted down a typical UK road.
Riding a car or bike properly *fast* can't be done by 95% of people.....
MC Bodge said:
fergus said:
I wasn't discussing cost, etc. I was responding to your simple statement...
Please explain, with reference to my simple statement, what has this got to do with Fun?Fun is subjective, not objective. Driving a car quickly, or at least trying to master its nuances, may be deemed more fun than riding a bike by some folks. Ever considered that others may have different viewpoints to your own?
fergus said:
MC Bodge said:
fergus said:
I wasn't discussing cost, etc. I was responding to your simple statement...
Please explain, with reference to my simple statement, what has this got to do with Fun?Fun is subjective, not objective. Driving a car quickly, or at least trying to master its nuances, may be deemed more fun than riding a bike by some folks. Ever considered that others may have different viewpoints to your own?
RobM77 said:
y2blade said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.
forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes
SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88
you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule
fair enough?
now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are
Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03
Didn't you see my post about the TZR 250cc road bike that lapped the TT course at 100mph over 25 years ago?
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