Bikes are slow...

[MC Bodge]

Biker's Nemesis said:

A Rover SD1 is rear wheel drive?

[srob]

jackal said:

For the price of a GT3RS you could buy 15 of the best ones that have ever been made.

I can't be bothered with the rest of the argument because it will drag on for weeks. On the above though, you're easily proven wrong. Just look at an auction house motorcycle department's sale history. There are lots of bikes that will make your 911 look cheap.

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

[Biker's Nemesis]

MC Bodge said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

A Rover SD1 is rear wheel drive?

That's not an SD1 is it.

[Biker's Nemesis]

srob said:

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

[y2blade]

Biker's Nemesis said:

srob said:

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

[Rawwr]

srob said:

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

No, but I've heard; "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."



(Abraham Lincoln, if you're interested)

[srob]

Rawwr said:

srob said:

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

No, but I've heard; "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."



(Abraham Lincoln, if you're interested)

shhh

[RobM77]

Biker's Nemesis said:

RobM77 said:

y2blade said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.

forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on

but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes

SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88

you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule

fair enough?


now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are

Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03

Given Pond's time in a lumbering great front wheel drive car with a wheezy engine, I've no doubt that the diferences between cars and bikes on track would map to the TT course. I can't see any reason why not.

A Rover SD1 is rear wheel drive?

Didn't you see my post about the TZR 250cc road bike that lapped the TT course at 100mph over 25 years ago?

Yes, I did. That Rover is a complete shed. I could go faster on a unicycle

All I'm trying to say is that we have all the evidence for race tracks, including bumpy ones (Combe or the ring are both bumpier than most A or B roads!), and that points to cars being quicker, so I don't see any particular reason why the TT course should be any different. Do you?

[Pothole]

srob said:

jackal said:

For the price of a GT3RS you could buy 15 of the best ones that have ever been made.

I can't be bothered with the rest of the argument because it will drag on for weeks. On the above though, you're easily proven wrong. Just look at an auction house motorcycle department's sale history. There are lots of bikes that will make your 911 look cheap.

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

I look like I'm agreeing with the whole of the OP, but I'm not, just this bit. Auction house motorcycle departments do not sell what most of us would consider "the best ones that have ever been made" They sell historically important bikes or exotica, neither of which often meet that brief.

The current GT3 RS is listed at £104841. you could buy 15 Fireblades for that money, not new ones, but recent ones which would easily sit in anyone's top 10 bikes of all time. Same with the R1150GS or the GL1800 Gold Wing or the R1, Blackbird, etc etc etc.

I'm not even sure why the OP bothered to add that detail it doesn't support his arguement.

[srob]

Pothole said:

srob said:

jackal said:

For the price of a GT3RS you could buy 15 of the best ones that have ever been made.

I can't be bothered with the rest of the argument because it will drag on for weeks. On the above though, you're easily proven wrong. Just look at an auction house motorcycle department's sale history. There are lots of bikes that will make your 911 look cheap.

Have you ever heard the saying, "it's better to sit there, say nothing and let everyone think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it?"

I look like I'm agreeing with the whole of the OP, but I'm not, just this bit. Auction house motorcycle departments do not sell what most of us would consider "the best ones that have ever been made" They sell historically important bikes or exotica, neither of which often meet that brief.

The current GT3 RS is listed at £104841. you could buy 15 Fireblades for that money, not new ones, but recent ones which would easily sit in anyone's top 10 bikes of all time. Same with the R1150GS or the GL1800 Gold Wing or the R1, Blackbird, etc etc etc.

I'm not even sure why the OP bothered to add that detail it doesn't support his arguement.

I'd consider a Brough Superior SS-100 to be one of "the best ones that have ever been made". And any SS-100 would sell for significantly more than £104841, not just the ones with special history.

[RobM77]

Very true, but the point remains that bikes are generally cheaper than cars. A Caterham R500 is £40k new, and an R1 is around £10k. The same applies second hand too. Racing cars are cheaper - most types can be bought for under £20k (FR, F3 etc, all of which will do 0-100 quicker than a superbike and lap a circuit quicker too), but for road cars and bikes, the bikes are always significantly cheaper.

[3doorPete]

What a pointless fking thread, with a trolling OP. Anyone who wants to churn over the same old bks comparing apples with pears just needs to read the comments on any Youtube Bike v car video.

[RobM77]

3doorPete said:

What a pointless fking thread, with a trolling OP. Anyone who wants to churn over the same old bks comparing apples with pears just needs to read the comments on any Youtube Bike v car video.

True, but you can tell by some of the posts here that many people aren't aware if the facts. If people learn something from a thread then it's a good thing I think. I didn't know a Brough Superior was worth over £100k, so I'm happy I've learnt something new! :-)

[robstvr]

Forget all this car v bike st. Do people really write down Eddie Stobart lorry numbers?

That is truly, truly tragic.

Edited by robstvr on Thursday 13th May 16:54

[BliarOut]

robstvr said:

Forget all this car v bike st. Do people really write down Eddie Stobart lorry numbers?

That is truly, truly tragic.

Of course not you fool... They all have names.

[RemyMartin]

Sadly there is such a thing as an Eddie Stobard spotter.

[Biker's Nemesis]

RobM77 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

RobM77 said:

y2blade said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.

forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on

but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes

SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88

you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule

fair enough?


now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are

Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03

Given Pond's time in a lumbering great front wheel drive car with a wheezy engine, I've no doubt that the diferences between cars and bikes on track would map to the TT course. I can't see any reason why not.

A Rover SD1 is rear wheel drive?

Didn't you see my post about the TZR 250cc road bike that lapped the TT course at 100mph over 25 years ago?

Yes, I did. That Rover is a complete shed. I could go faster on a unicycle

All I'm trying to say is that we have all the evidence for race tracks, including bumpy ones (Combe or the ring are both bumpier than most A or B roads!), and that points to cars being quicker, so I don't see any particular reason why the TT course should be any different. Do you?

Bren from Sliders guest house can and lapped the Nurburgring around the 7 min 20 seconds mark on a road going R1, what type of cars do you reckon it took to beat that time?

[RobM77]

Biker's Nemesis said:

RobM77 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

RobM77 said:

y2blade said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.

forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on

but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes

SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88

you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule

fair enough?


now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are

Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03

Given Pond's time in a lumbering great front wheel drive car with a wheezy engine, I've no doubt that the diferences between cars and bikes on track would map to the TT course. I can't see any reason why not.

A Rover SD1 is rear wheel drive?

Didn't you see my post about the TZR 250cc road bike that lapped the TT course at 100mph over 25 years ago?

Yes, I did. That Rover is a complete shed. I could go faster on a unicycle

All I'm trying to say is that we have all the evidence for race tracks, including bumpy ones (Combe or the ring are both bumpier than most A or B roads!), and that points to cars being quicker, so I don't see any particular reason why the TT course should be any different. Do you?

Bren from Sliders guest house can and lapped the Nurburgring around the 7 min 20 seconds mark on a road going R1, what type of cars do you reckon it took to beat that time?

Wikipedia are listing his best as a 7:31; and that's a bridge to gantry time, not a full lap. Even a fat GT car like a Nissan GTR or a 911 can beat that BTG.

[Biker's Nemesis]

RobM77 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

RobM77 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

RobM77 said:

y2blade said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

y2blade, what are the lap times for the IOM TT, for a Superbike? Didn't a couple of car jockys have a go and couldn't match a bike.

forget superbikes, for the sake of this thread we'll keep it road going off the shelf stuff, that you or can walk in a showroom and ride home on

but yeah the Isle of man is the ideal example as it is the type of roads we all use day to day..bumpy as hell with negative cambers and elevation changes

SuperStock1000.. Production spec road bikes average 129.746mph
that is 37.74 miles in 17’26.88

you match that in any car and I'll shake your hand..until then cars are slow and bikes rule

fair enough?


now consider that the outright RACE BIKE record is 17’12.30 @ 131.578mph ...it will give the car boys some idea how quick our road bike really are

Edited by y2blade on Thursday 13th May 14:03

Given Pond's time in a lumbering great front wheel drive car with a wheezy engine, I've no doubt that the diferences between cars and bikes on track would map to the TT course. I can't see any reason why not.

A Rover SD1 is rear wheel drive?

Didn't you see my post about the TZR 250cc road bike that lapped the TT course at 100mph over 25 years ago?

Yes, I did. That Rover is a complete shed. I could go faster on a unicycle

All I'm trying to say is that we have all the evidence for race tracks, including bumpy ones (Combe or the ring are both bumpier than most A or B roads!), and that points to cars being quicker, so I don't see any particular reason why the TT course should be any different. Do you?

Bren from Sliders guest house can and lapped the Nurburgring around the 7 min 20 seconds mark on a road going R1, what type of cars do you reckon it took to beat that time?

Wikipedia are listing his best as a 7:31; and that's a bridge to gantry time, not a full lap. Even a fat GT car like a Nissan GTR or a 911 can beat that BTG.

I'm just staring to have a browse through here.

http://bridgetogantry.com/

[Biker's Nemesis]

Just a reminder of how dangerous the Nurburgring is for the 2 wheeled lads.

http://www.slidersguesthouse.com/memorium.htm