CBTand buying a Desmo
Discussion
cava said:
I don't see the problem. Bikes only go as fast as you tell them to. You can kill yourself on just about anything, even a bicycle. The ABS and traction control already make it safer than a lot of other bikes too. I'd rather have had this as a first bike than my old Bandit 600, which wallowed around every bend and had brakes that felt like they were from the 1920s.
You picked a good weekend for it too!
GREAT POST^^^^You picked a good weekend for it too!
duggan said:
Well that was a fun morning 
Picked the bike up from Metropolis in Vauxhall and as anyone who's been there, it's straight out onto a one-way system, followed by a drive across busy Saturday morning London streets - just what's needed when you combine a Panigale Tricolore with a novice rider. But what a first bike
Will post up some proper pics tomorrow - just have to either stare at it or ride it at the moment (in "Wet" or "Learner" mode as I call it)...
That is an absolutely beautiful motorbike.Picked the bike up from Metropolis in Vauxhall and as anyone who's been there, it's straight out onto a one-way system, followed by a drive across busy Saturday morning London streets - just what's needed when you combine a Panigale Tricolore with a novice rider. But what a first bike
Will post up some proper pics tomorrow - just have to either stare at it or ride it at the moment (in "Wet" or "Learner" mode as I call it)...
Well done for getting it done, enjoy!
Biker's Nemesis said:
Thou said:
You are an idiot.
You've bought an animal of a bike, because it was pretty, that will teach you nothing about learning to measure corner speed, when to apply the power exiting a corner etc. like a smaller bike would, that's also known for having poor fuelling and low speed manners, to ride across Central London in busy traffic. You'd think quite literally brushing death would make you never want to ever repeat the experience, but hey ho. Living up to to the stereotypical new Ducati rider at it's absolute finest. Although, it is extremely pretty.
Still, they're your funds to enjoy.
At least with your money you must have a fit wife.
It's his money and his choice. You sound bitter if you don't mind me saying so.You've bought an animal of a bike, because it was pretty, that will teach you nothing about learning to measure corner speed, when to apply the power exiting a corner etc. like a smaller bike would, that's also known for having poor fuelling and low speed manners, to ride across Central London in busy traffic. You'd think quite literally brushing death would make you never want to ever repeat the experience, but hey ho. Living up to to the stereotypical new Ducati rider at it's absolute finest. Although, it is extremely pretty.
Still, they're your funds to enjoy.
At least with your money you must have a fit wife.
I had a brush with death a few years back, prob like a few riders on here have done. Not quite as much metalwork as you but enough to make me think that life is far too short thinking abiut what you would like in the future.
Youre no idiot, misguided maybe but id you have the cash, know the risks and are still prepared to take them in pursuit of a dream bike then best of luck. I know if I had enough cash id have some ridiculously beautiful machines. Youre living most of our dreams through ownership so to you sir I doff my cap.
If it kills you at least you can say you died trying!
Youre no idiot, misguided maybe but id you have the cash, know the risks and are still prepared to take them in pursuit of a dream bike then best of luck. I know if I had enough cash id have some ridiculously beautiful machines. Youre living most of our dreams through ownership so to you sir I doff my cap.
If it kills you at least you can say you died trying!
George29 said:
I don't understand the bit about his wife, but he is pretty much correct in terms of the rest of it. Sort of person who turns up to Devils bridge in Ducati leathers, with 3" chicken strips. I've seen several like that before, does strike me as more money than sense. A CBR600RR would have been superior in every way for a novice rider.
Probably, but what's the fun in that? I don't know and I don't care how much talent this guy has on a bike. It really doesn't particularly matter. If you want to go fast and have an easy time of it there are no doubt many better bikes than an 1199. I assume that Duggan wants to have some fun on a great looking super bike. I'm sure he'll have a great time showing going to a biker meet with brand new top the range leathers and showing it off. Why does it matter in the slightest how hard you ride the thing? This is a toy. The only important thing is that you have fun with it. I sure as hell know that if I could have bought a Panigale as my first bike I would have. It's got traction control and different fuel maps. I wouldn't have killed myself on it. Would I have been a technically worse rider for starting off on a 1L+ difficult to ride super bike? No doubt. However, I would have had such a fantastic time on it that I wouldn't care. I'm not looking for the last few tenths on a race track. As long as I'm safe and enjoying myself that's all that matters.
Firstly, a big congratulations to the OP for coming through what he has, hell of an achievement. To then get an 1199 TRI is top work, stunning stunning bike. I hope you enjoy every moment on her, be it commuting in traffic or stretching her legs, superb choice. An Aprilia would have been better, but no ones perfect 
However, and I really don't point this at the OP, but my personal experience of a new rider and a superbike is a salient one. Friend of ours, having NEVER sat on a bike decided he wanted to join us on brekky runs and track jollies because it looked so cool, fast and exciting. So he ponies up and buys a brand spanking new BMW S1000RR in Motor sport colors with full options, Akto pipe, electronics package with matching leathers boots, gloves and lid, all very swish. Trouble is, having ridden it he is petrified of the bike even in rain mode. His logic was he drove M cars so they're really quick, so a superbike can't be so much quicker, can it?.
By his own admission he's only taken the BM over 9k once (in rain mode) and it scared him so much he didn't want to repeat it. Consequently, he has an unused bike now In the garage and no longer comes out and has returned to the car. Wouldn't listen when we advised him not to get a full fat superbike rather start much lower, especially nearing 40 years of age with zero riding experience.
So whilst its true the bike only goes as fast as you twist the throttle, the speed a modern bike can hit in a short squirt and the sensory overload of such acceleration still get you in a world of pain double fast if you're not used to it. The world narrows very rapidly and then we're into freezing up, target fixation and A&E.
So I would still caution anyone jumping on a modern superbike from zero, the stats don't lie.
However, and I really don't point this at the OP, but my personal experience of a new rider and a superbike is a salient one. Friend of ours, having NEVER sat on a bike decided he wanted to join us on brekky runs and track jollies because it looked so cool, fast and exciting. So he ponies up and buys a brand spanking new BMW S1000RR in Motor sport colors with full options, Akto pipe, electronics package with matching leathers boots, gloves and lid, all very swish. Trouble is, having ridden it he is petrified of the bike even in rain mode. His logic was he drove M cars so they're really quick, so a superbike can't be so much quicker, can it?.
By his own admission he's only taken the BM over 9k once (in rain mode) and it scared him so much he didn't want to repeat it. Consequently, he has an unused bike now In the garage and no longer comes out and has returned to the car. Wouldn't listen when we advised him not to get a full fat superbike rather start much lower, especially nearing 40 years of age with zero riding experience.
So whilst its true the bike only goes as fast as you twist the throttle, the speed a modern bike can hit in a short squirt and the sensory overload of such acceleration still get you in a world of pain double fast if you're not used to it. The world narrows very rapidly and then we're into freezing up, target fixation and A&E.
So I would still caution anyone jumping on a modern superbike from zero, the stats don't lie.
Orichalon said:
Probably, but what's the fun in that? I don't know and I don't care how much talent this guy has on a bike. It really doesn't particularly matter. If you want to go fast and have an easy time of it there are no doubt many better bikes than an 1199. I assume that Duggan wants to have some fun on a great looking super bike. I'm sure he'll have a great time showing going to a biker meet with brand new top the range leathers and showing it off. Why does it matter in the slightest how hard you ride the thing? This is a toy. The only important thing is that you have fun with it.
It doesn't matter to me one bit, but when the time comes when a mistake is made (and there will be), the Panigale will get you into trouble a hell of a lot quicker than a 600.As I said previously, just strikes me as more money than sense.
Orichalon said:
It's got traction control and different fuel maps. I wouldn't have killed myself on it. .
So that makes you immune from crashing? Are you for real? Have you ever ridden a bike with traction control?Lovely bike OP - enjoy the weather and the machine. Some very bitter folk on here, but also some decent advice.
If you haven't already, I'd definitely be booking up some advanced training of some sort and track tuition will help you learn the bike better.
I'm envious, but in nice way. Very sexy bike.
If you haven't already, I'd definitely be booking up some advanced training of some sort and track tuition will help you learn the bike better.
I'm envious, but in nice way. Very sexy bike.
George29 said:
So that makes you immune from crashing? Are you for real? Have you ever ridden a bike with traction control?
Many, and I still stand by what I said. I have plenty of faith that someone sensible yet inexperienced can get on these bikes, ride them to 1/10ths and not be much more likely to crash than on a lower powered bike. I would, however, want to know I had a safety net of traction control in case of a downpour when on extreme tyres. Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree.Got to laugh at all the jealous know it all types telling the OP he's an idiot and he's made a poor choice. Not everyone buys a bike to learn to extract its full potential and rid it of chicken strips. If it makes you smile and your sensible enough to respect the bike and the fact that you probably have no skill, then where's the problem?
Thou I can only guess you have a s
t bike, an ugly wife and no money.
Good on you OP and best of luck with this and the Desmo
Thou I can only guess you have a s
t bike, an ugly wife and no money. Good on you OP and best of luck with this and the Desmo
I can understand all the different viewpoints and advice, I mean if you had just passed your car test and for your first car purchased a Caterham 620R to drive home on a wet Sunday morning, you might get similar advice of "get some training, and take it easy " 
Motorcycles are so accessible, and passing your car/bike test just qualifies you to get to the shops and back following the rules of the road , so its normal to find a range of riding abilities at your local bike meet, regardless of bike being ridden
How is that any different to the average supercar owners meet, other than the price of entry is more expensive? the average Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Aston owner rarely drives them to anywhere near their capability but no-one cares...they just like admiring and chatting about them
If you have something to prove to yourself, then you can always join a motorsport club and go and compete with other people for real on a race track
I'm sure the OP will be having great fun scaring himself silly for a many years on his Ducati
Motorcycles are so accessible, and passing your car/bike test just qualifies you to get to the shops and back following the rules of the road , so its normal to find a range of riding abilities at your local bike meet, regardless of bike being ridden
How is that any different to the average supercar owners meet, other than the price of entry is more expensive? the average Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Aston owner rarely drives them to anywhere near their capability but no-one cares...they just like admiring and chatting about them
If you have something to prove to yourself, then you can always join a motorsport club and go and compete with other people for real on a race track
I'm sure the OP will be having great fun scaring himself silly for a many years on his Ducati
"The report of my death was an exaggeration" Mark Twain
So I've done about 150 miles on the bike this weekend, from London traffic to fast A roads and guess what? I'm still here
Interesting to read all of the comments and I genuinely didn't think getting a Desmo, or even a Panigale Tricolore for that matter, as a first bike would stoke up such a debate - it's great that everyone has an opinion & is willing to offer advice. I do now concur that getting a Desmo as a first bike would have been a steep learning curve & even a step too far - best I learn for a few months first
I really do appreciate the advice - bike experience I may not have, but I do have two things that most of you don't have. Firstly, I know what it's like when it goes wrong - and we're not talking "that was a close one" - the real-deal. That experience alone will ensure I'm not spinning the wheel up in 6th on any public road. Secondly, I know what it's like to think you're taking your last breath and the thoughts of "I wish I'd done this/wish I'd done that", so for me, it's all now about following your dreams - here's a few pics from today:
PS - one of the posters was spot on - Mrs. Duggan is indeed very fit.
So I've done about 150 miles on the bike this weekend, from London traffic to fast A roads and guess what? I'm still here
Interesting to read all of the comments and I genuinely didn't think getting a Desmo, or even a Panigale Tricolore for that matter, as a first bike would stoke up such a debate - it's great that everyone has an opinion & is willing to offer advice. I do now concur that getting a Desmo as a first bike would have been a steep learning curve & even a step too far - best I learn for a few months first
I really do appreciate the advice - bike experience I may not have, but I do have two things that most of you don't have. Firstly, I know what it's like when it goes wrong - and we're not talking "that was a close one" - the real-deal. That experience alone will ensure I'm not spinning the wheel up in 6th on any public road. Secondly, I know what it's like to think you're taking your last breath and the thoughts of "I wish I'd done this/wish I'd done that", so for me, it's all now about following your dreams - here's a few pics from today:
PS - one of the posters was spot on - Mrs. Duggan is indeed very fit.
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