Bikes really are unsafe
Discussion
Hooli said:
Wedg1e said:
LoonR1 said:
having a high speed weave, like the Pan European a few years back.
The Pan Euro 1300 STILL has a high-speed weave, it didn't go away... Tango13 said:
Hooli said:
Wedg1e said:
LoonR1 said:
having a high speed weave, like the Pan European a few years back.
The Pan Euro 1300 STILL has a high-speed weave, it didn't go away... Jimbo. said:
Nothing to do with the yokes. A short wheelbase, phenomenally grunty engine, light weight and a steep head angle all conspired to bite people on the arse. The never-seen-since rotary rear shock was often hinted at (by the likes of Maxton, etc) as being a contributory factor, but at the end of the day it was just a bike that demanded respect.
Of course, the utter s at MCN jumped up and down on it, hyping it up beyond all belief. "Killer bike" this, "Widow maker" that...editing readers letters from "My ZZR1100 had a mild tank slapper..." to "My TL1000S tried to kill me...".
Suzuki shat themselves and issued a recall to fit a steering damper. The TL1000R was rushed out, the TL1000S killed off. A shame
My view was that it was caused by a geometry and chain tightness issue. It was possible to load the back so the chain got tight, at which point the rear suspension became totally rigid - no springing or damping - which caused the crashes.Of course, the utter s at MCN jumped up and down on it, hyping it up beyond all belief. "Killer bike" this, "Widow maker" that...editing readers letters from "My ZZR1100 had a mild tank slapper..." to "My TL1000S tried to kill me...".
Suzuki shat themselves and issued a recall to fit a steering damper. The TL1000R was rushed out, the TL1000S killed off. A shame
As long as you avoid chinese bikes most are fairly good these days TBH. Even my scooter (Taiwanese, 171cc) cruises at 70mph (one or two up) in perfect stability..
Hooli said:
Tango13 said:
Hooli said:
Wedg1e said:
LoonR1 said:
having a high speed weave, like the Pan European a few years back.
The Pan Euro 1300 STILL has a high-speed weave, it didn't go away... BMW pointed to the fact that the bikes were actually over/badly loaded given the load Plod stuck on the bikes and that when you fit paniers to a bike, they come with a warning not to exceed a certain speed.
The upshot was that Plod switched from BMWs to Pan Europeans (I was working at HUK at the time)
Now we have the exact same problem being aleged against the Pan and plod looking to go back to BMWs.
LoonR1 said:
I don't want to die as a result of someone else's mistake.
If you're worried about this happening then changes are it won't be a bike defect that causes it... it will be some **** pulling out in front of you etc.In my opinion there isn't much room for these kind if thoughts when riding, everyone knows the risks involved.
Just my thoughts
graphene said:
Fork failures? BMW again! Anyway, it's a conspiracy; the machines are taking over in ways far more surreptitious than the Skynet/Matrix scenarios would have us believe. However, the mechanical fiends have waited too long - the world is voided this year, so giving up bikes is futile...
You may scoff but every time I've been out on 2 wheels in the last 2 weeks I've got rained on.So there.
I too think bikes are stupidly unsafe, take today for instance, doing 60 mph down a bumpy road and the front wheel keeps pointing to the sky, how dangerous is that? I cannot believe a manufacturer would release a bike with such a defect as it prevented me from braking and steering to avoid a sheep.
Also they fall over unless they are propped up with a bit of metal, again what a silly idea!
I'll be writing a strongly worded email to Yamaha later expressing my concerns and will be seeking compensation for an adrenaline overdose
as said above the most dangerous part of a bike is the nut holding the bars
Also they fall over unless they are propped up with a bit of metal, again what a silly idea!
I'll be writing a strongly worded email to Yamaha later expressing my concerns and will be seeking compensation for an adrenaline overdose
as said above the most dangerous part of a bike is the nut holding the bars
RizzoTheRat said:
While many bikes do have mechanical faults, the most dangerous one is usually the loose nut behind the bars.
Yeah, that.I've ridden bikes with no brakes, ones which weren't safe to even think about leaning over, ridden in a blizard on a scooter with slipping drive belt issues causing it to try to highside beyond 19 mph when it got some power (In the end, it was hitting a patch of ice which caused the highside)
I would happily ride in the same cirucumstances again.
The most dangerous time I've ever had on a bike, indeed, the only time I've ever been scared on a bike, was when I tried to find the top speed of a CBR 125R (happy little, broke, commuter) and spend too much time looking at the speedo. And not at the 80 degree off camber corner that was rapidly approaching... (To it's credit, it made the corner. Just. at 75 mph...)
Jazoli said:
I too think bikes are stupidly unsafe, take today for instance, doing 60 mph down a bumpy road and the front wheel keeps pointing to the sky, how dangerous is that? I cannot believe a manufacturer would release a bike with such a defect as it prevented me from braking and steering to avoid a sheep.
Also they fall over unless they are propped up with a bit of metal, again what a silly idea!
I'll be writing a strongly worded email to Yamaha later expressing my concerns and will be seeking compensation for an adrenaline overdose
That's outrageous. Do you also find your bike leans rather dangerously when you take a corner at speed rather than remaining upright and stable as surely a safe machine would? Also they fall over unless they are propped up with a bit of metal, again what a silly idea!
I'll be writing a strongly worded email to Yamaha later expressing my concerns and will be seeking compensation for an adrenaline overdose
tezzer said:
deltashad said:
Did the TL1000s not have some really bad problem when it was originally launched?
Something to do with the yokes leading on to high speed tank slappers? I did a search but didn't see anything. Don't know why that's stuck in my head...
I had an early (97) TL-S which was a superb bike ridden to the max on many occaisions, and never once did I have a "moment". No idea why, maybe due to my small stature and light weight, but not once until it was brutally stolen from my locked garage did it give me cause for concern. odd.Something to do with the yokes leading on to high speed tank slappers? I did a search but didn't see anything. Don't know why that's stuck in my head...
Mr2Mike said:
That's outrageous. Do you also find your bike leans rather dangerously when you take a corner at speed rather than remaining upright and stable as surely a safe machine would?
Its ridiculous in the extreme, another one which happens sometimes is when you pull the front brake the rear wheel can leave the ground, restricting my ability to brake and also restricting vision as I now cannot see what I was about to hit, only the ground directly under my front wheel.I think they should be banned for safety's sake.
Jazoli said:
Mr2Mike said:
That's outrageous. Do you also find your bike leans rather dangerously when you take a corner at speed rather than remaining upright and stable as surely a safe machine would?
Its ridiculous in the extreme, another one which happens sometimes is when you pull the front brake the rear wheel can leave the ground, restricting my ability to brake and also restricting vision as I now cannot see what I was about to hit, only the ground directly under my front wheel.I think they should be banned for safety's sake.
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