Glove laws, thank fook for Brexit :)
Discussion
WaferThinHam said:
Guess we'd better all stop riding bikes as taking the bus is far safer for the state.
Be reasonable... I did say "minimise".You can't think it reasonable that a State-funded health system has to find funds to remove gravel from fingers, when a sub-£100 pair of gloves would've prevented a problem?
GappySmeg said:
Be reasonable... I did say "minimise".
You can't think it reasonable that a State-funded health system has to find funds to remove gravel from fingers, when a sub-£100 pair of gloves would've prevented a problem?
But you're just picking arbitrary points. Why £100 pair of gloves. Why not £150? You can't think it reasonable that a State-funded health system has to find funds to remove gravel from fingers, when a sub-£100 pair of gloves would've prevented a problem?
It's impossible to enforce I guess is the point I'm trying to make.
TooMany2cvs said:
WaferThinHam said:
You could argue that disposable filling station gloves are PPE, just not certified for motorcycle usage.
You certainly could. Whether the judge would agree is another question entirely... <grin>I guess what I'm getting at is the the law is an ass (first) and pretty much unenforceable (second).
Maybe they should have a strike to revoke the law. The French love a good strike.
WaferThinHam said:
RemaL said:
A difficult one.
On one hand I don't want to be told all the time what I can and cannot do. Taking the choice out of my hands
But then again some of the darwin people need to be protected
I see what you did there. On one hand I don't want to be told all the time what I can and cannot do. Taking the choice out of my hands
But then again some of the darwin people need to be protected
RemaL said:
A difficult one.
On one hand I don't want to be told all the time what I can and cannot do. Taking the choice out of my hands
But then again some of the darwin people need to be protected
But if I pop round to my mates, 2 mins up the road in a small town, I'll quite often just throw a helmet on. Is that qualifying for a Darwin award? Or is that just assessing the risk and deciding that it doesnt require anything other than the bare essentials as the chances of coming off are small and the chances of coming off at any speed are negligible? On one hand I don't want to be told all the time what I can and cannot do. Taking the choice out of my hands
But then again some of the darwin people need to be protected
GappySmeg said:
Be reasonable... I did say "minimise".
You can't think it reasonable that a State-funded health system has to find funds to remove gravel from fingers, when a sub-£100 pair of gloves would've prevented a problem?
I think you should be told you cannot ride your bike. Riding your bike makes you about 30 times more likely to cost me, the taxpayer, NHS costs. I don't want to pay for it. You can't think it reasonable that a State-funded health system has to find funds to remove gravel from fingers, when a sub-£100 pair of gloves would've prevented a problem?
Condi said:
But if I pop round to my mates, 2 mins up the road in a small town, I'll quite often just throw a helmet on. Is that qualifying for a Darwin award? Or is that just assessing the risk and deciding that it doesnt require anything other than the bare essentials as the chances of coming off are small and the chances of coming off at any speed are negligible?
If that's accessing risk, I'd look at how you do so.. Isn't it something stupid like 1in 3 accidents happen within a mile of home? TooMany2cvs said:
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
bogie said:
I wonder if the Frenchies will try to get their new glove laws enforced across the EU?
They're French laws, not European ones.The French can no more "try to get" their laws enforced by other European countries than the UK can. Or the Germans. Or any other country.
so they can try, then?
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
They're also basic bloody common sense.
are you also in favour of compulsion to do everything else which is "common sense"? If so, who is the arbiter of same?Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
bogie said:
I wonder if the Frenchies will try to get their new glove laws enforced across the EU?
They're French laws, not European ones.The French can no more "try to get" their laws enforced by other European countries than the UK can. Or the Germans. Or any other country.
Esceptico said:
I am fairly libertarian. If someone doesn't want to wear protective clothing that is their right. What gets my goat is that those same people that claim "don't nanny me" about such rules never say "don't nanny mr" when it comes to accepting NHS healthcare to put them back together after they crash or refuse disability or other benefits. If you don't want to play by the rules that is form but be consistent.
So you're ok with people not wearing protective clothing.People who don't like rules that force wearing protective clothing must have a conflict with using NHS healthcare.
Who do you use instead of the NHS then?
Esceptico said:
I am fairly libertarian. If someone doesn't want to wear protective clothing that is their right. What gets my goat is that those same people that claim "don't nanny me" about such rules never say "don't nanny mr" when it comes to accepting NHS healthcare to put them back together after they crash or refuse disability or other benefits. If you don't want to play by the rules that is form but be consistent.
This is always such an ill conceived approach. Do we refuse benefits, including NHS care, for self inflicted injuries from Sunday league footballers? Those who hurt themselves doing DIY? Cancer care for anyone that smoked? How about anyone who has ever consumed more than recommended amount of alcohol? We all pay in to allow us to each do what we want ant be covered if or when it goes wrong.
TooMany2cvs said:
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
bogie said:
I wonder if the Frenchies will try to get their new glove laws enforced across the EU?
They're French laws, not European ones.The French can no more "try to get" their laws enforced by other European countries than the UK can. Or the Germans. Or any other country.
black-k1 said:
Like many, I object to being told what is and isn't good for me. Without a clear definition of which gloves are PPE and which aren't it's a pointless law that smacks of tokenism. But then the French have always been good at tokenism.
and .. there is also the french minister who had an interest in an alcohol testing company that pushed through the testing kit law .. While I think it's rather common sense to wear gloves whilst on a motorbike, I like to think the enforcement could be made, well, a little bit more of an economy stimulating exercise.
I'll elaborate:
Set a trap for motor bikers with
1. a rather curvy lady Police Officer and
2. a supplier of bikers clothing
Pull over all the bikers who aren't wearing gloves and threaten them with a fine of 68 euros and points or the option of purchasing a pair of Francois' finest kevlar reinforced super-fandango power ranger gloves for, you guessed it, 68 euros!
It's a win win
I'll elaborate:
Set a trap for motor bikers with
1. a rather curvy lady Police Officer and
2. a supplier of bikers clothing
Pull over all the bikers who aren't wearing gloves and threaten them with a fine of 68 euros and points or the option of purchasing a pair of Francois' finest kevlar reinforced super-fandango power ranger gloves for, you guessed it, 68 euros!
It's a win win
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