the bb trackday thread.
Discussion
Biker's Nemesis said:
moanthebairns said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Mr OCD said:
LoonR1 said:
I'm starting to get my mojo back and was 1:54-1:56 all day.
I said fast mate ... 
moanthebairns said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Mr OCD said:
LoonR1 said:
I'm starting to get my mojo back and was 1:54-1:56 all day.
I said fast mate ... There's too much of an obsession for me at the moment with laptimes. When I started doing TDs it was about trying to get to the top of Novice, then Inters, then into Fast whilst doing as many different tracks as I could. It was about learning to corner, learning to read a track, learning to master one corner at a time. During this time, there was a group of us just starting out. None of us crashed badly, none of us hurt ourselves and even a minor crash was a rare occurrence. We had some good banter and some lifelong friendships were born.
However, this year there have been more crashes in our groups than all of my previous years of TDs put together. This year has also been highly competitive with laptimes. I wonder if there's a connection?
Either way, I'm going to go back to basics with my riding and see if I can improve on some of the laziness that's crept in. What I would say is that trackday watches are notoriously inaccurate and the only true way of mapping your time is via a transponder in a race.
Forgot to say, amd this is. It a dig at people, but there is nothing worse than standing waiting for one the people you know on a TD to roll down pit lane under a red flag amd realising that they're not there. The sinking feeling is pretty awful.
To give you an idea the guy who crashed whilst pushing hard to get away from me yesterday is pretty f
ked. That is not fun.
To give you an idea the guy who crashed whilst pushing hard to get away from me yesterday is pretty f
ked. That is not fun. LoonR1 said:
Either way, I'm going to go back to basics with my riding and see if I can improve on some of the laziness that's crept in. What I would say is that trackday watches are notoriously inaccurate and the only true way of mapping your time is via a transponder in a race.
Loon, Have a word with Neil and see if the kind of data he logs might be of use to you. Not necessarily to fine tune bike set up but to identify weaknesses or habits that you want to address. Then you can concentrate on practicing those changes without chasing outright lap times as the only metric of improvement. So you can pick 3 or 4 corners and review those in isolation from the whole lap to see if the changes are working. You then remove the stress of chasing a lap and can relax between the chosen corners and think about what you're doing.
If you do, you're welcome to mail me the data for reference and review and maybe a bit of comment/analysis. FOC
If I then had laps from Neil for example, and if he'd be ok with it, I can show you areas of most gain and what to concentrate on in terms of finding gains or eradicating habits or laziness....
Edited by bass gt3 on Wednesday 24th June 21:49
bass gt3 said:
Loon,
Have a word with Neil and see if the kind of data he logs might be of use to you. Not necessarily to fine tune bike set up but to identify weaknesses or habits that you want to address. Then you can concentrate on practicing those changes without chasing outright lap times as the only metric of improvement. So you can pick 3or4corners and review those in isolation from the whole lap to see if the changes are working. You then remove the stress of chasing a lap and can relax between the chosen corners and think about what you're doing.
If you do, you're welcome tom ail me the data for reference and review and maybe a bit of comment/analysis. FOC
Fair point, but I'm not analytical enough to go through that stuff, I do things on gut feel. BN followed me today in a session and had some thoughts which he'll share. My issue is predominantly the 3 stone that's gone on since I quit smoking and the complete lack of exercise in the last year. Until I get rid of that there's not much value analysing stuff. Have a word with Neil and see if the kind of data he logs might be of use to you. Not necessarily to fine tune bike set up but to identify weaknesses or habits that you want to address. Then you can concentrate on practicing those changes without chasing outright lap times as the only metric of improvement. So you can pick 3or4corners and review those in isolation from the whole lap to see if the changes are working. You then remove the stress of chasing a lap and can relax between the chosen corners and think about what you're doing.
If you do, you're welcome tom ail me the data for reference and review and maybe a bit of comment/analysis. FOC
LoonR1 said:
Fair point, but I'm not analytical enough to go through that stuff, I do things on gut feel. BN followed me today in a session and had some thoughts which he'll share. My issue is predominantly the 3 stone that's gone on since I quit smoking and the complete lack of exercise in the last year. Until I get rid of that there's not much value analysing stuff.
Like I said, you might not be analytical but I am welcome to send me the files and I can show you what's and where. The offer is there 
Loosing weight won't fix bad habits
LoonR1 said:
moanthebairns said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Mr OCD said:
LoonR1 said:
I'm starting to get my mojo back and was 1:54-1:56 all day.
I said fast mate ... There's too much of an obsession for me at the moment with laptimes. When I started doing TDs it was about trying to get to the top of Novice, then Inters, then into Fast whilst doing as many different tracks as I could. It was about learning to corner, learning to read a track, learning to master one corner at a time. During this time, there was a group of us just starting out. None of us crashed badly, none of us hurt ourselves and even a minor crash was a rare occurrence. We had some good banter and some lifelong friendships were born.
However, this year there have been more crashes in our groups than all of my previous years of TDs put together. This year has also been highly competitive with laptimes. I wonder if there's a connection?
Either way, I'm going to go back to basics with my riding and see if I can improve on some of the laziness that's crept in. What I would say is that trackday watches are notoriously inaccurate and the only true way of mapping your time is via a transponder in a race.
to get down to the 58s the last time I was there.That said, if I had more than an hours sleep before a track day
id be fking awesome too.bass gt3 said:
Like I said, you might not be analytical but I am welcome to send me the files and I can show you what's and where. The offer is there
Loosing weight won't fix bad habits
Appreciate the offer, but I've reached a level where my old and excessively honed survival instinct simply won't let me do any more with the throttle and any less with the brake. I was leaving black lines everywhere today, so theres no way I want to opening the throttle more, or harder. welcome to send me the files and I can show you what's and where. The offer is there Loosing weight won't fix bad habits
Some lost weight and some better fitness will help.
The bad habits won't die though, much like me
LoonR1 said:
Appreciate the offer, but I've reached a level where my old and excessively honed survival instinct simply won't let me do any more with the throttle and any less with the brake. I was leaving black lines everywhere today, so theres no way I want to opening the throttle more, or harder.
Some lost weight and some better fitness will help.
The bad habits won't die though, much like me
No worries fella, but the offer stands.Some lost weight and some better fitness will help.
The bad habits won't die though, much like me
And I promise you the biggest gain won't be from getting more gas earlier
bass gt3 said:
No worries fella, but the offer stands.
And I promise you the biggest gain won't be from getting more gas earlier
Cheers. I won't be able to brake later or harder either amd there's no way I can use more throttle through corners. I know I can, but my head won't let me do it. And I promise you the biggest gain won't be from getting more gas earlier
Biker's Nemesis said:
I would rather you said in your own words what I said and I'll will add too it, if I start first it may seem wrong to you or others.
If ya knaa wot a mean.
Smooth and leaving black lines everywhere on the exit. I happy with that as a description, as I can't see me doing any more. If ya knaa wot a mean.
LoonR1 said:
Cheers. I won't be able to brake later or harder either amd there's no way I can use more throttle through corners. I know I can, but my head won't let me do it.
Who said anything about braking harder or more gas in the corners Trouble is, if you hit a glass ceiling, it's difficult to see where the improvements can come from. Just getting on the gas harder, braking later or more gas in the corners are probably the last things and offer the smallest gains. I'd wager I could show you 3 or 4 seconds at Oulton for free. No gas, no braking, no corner throttle.... it's there to be taken if you know where to find it.
No worries fella, enjoy
LoonR1 said:
Smooth and leaving black lines everywhere on the exit. I happy with that as a description, as I can't see me doing any more.
You brake late but seemed to hold onto the brake too long scrubbing off to much speed and in a few places you were a tad to quick into a couple of corners which made you run a tab wide which stopped you carrying more speed on the exit, both the same thing really.
I am no expert and that isn't a criticism just an observation, oh and the head shaking when you knew you'd fluffed up a touch.
Relax and f
k the lap timing off and go back to enjoying it again like I do. There really is no place for lap timing on TD's.
Biker's Nemesis said:
You brake late but seemed to hold onto the brake too long scrubbing off to much speed and in a few places you were a tad to quick into a couple of corners which made you run a tab wide which stopped you carrying more speed on the exit, both the same thing really.
I am no expert and that isn't a criticism just an observation, oh and the head shaking when you knew you'd fluffed up a touch.
Relax and f
k the lap timing off and go back to enjoying it again like I do. There really is no place for lap timing on TD's.
bass gt3 said:
Who said anything about braking harder or more gas in the corners
Trouble is, if you hit a glass ceiling, it's difficult to see where the improvements can come from. Just getting on the gas harder, braking later or more gas in the corners are probably the last things and offer the smallest gains. I'd wager I could show you 3 or 4 seconds at Oulton for free. No gas, no braking, no corner throttle.... it's there to be taken if you know where to find it.
No worries fella, enjoy
McKean was showing me his stuff on the laptop today and I was fascinating for me, I was that impressed I was going to get on of them thingy's you and him have right up until he told me it doesn't work on a Fireblade unless you have a race ECU or Nemesis TC thing.Trouble is, if you hit a glass ceiling, it's difficult to see where the improvements can come from. Just getting on the gas harder, braking later or more gas in the corners are probably the last things and offer the smallest gains. I'd wager I could show you 3 or 4 seconds at Oulton for free. No gas, no braking, no corner throttle.... it's there to be taken if you know where to find it.
No worries fella, enjoy
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