Stoner retires
Discussion
Allyc85 said:
This explains it better....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99662
Thanks.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99662
That's the whingey side which puts me off him. He may be right, but I don't like the way he expresses himself. I can just see him doing a similar thing about being a father (the excitement's gone, it's heading in the wrong direction, no respect for the nanny, tired of the noise/smell etc) before he makes a miraculous comeback in MotoGP or WSB
-Pete- said:
hanks.
That's the whingey side which puts me off him. He may be right, but I don't like the way he expresses himself. I can just see him doing a similar thing about being a father (the excitement's gone, it's heading in the wrong direction, no respect for the nanny, tired of the noise/smell etc) before he makes a miraculous comeback in MotoGP or WSB
One man's explanation is another man's whinging.That's the whingey side which puts me off him. He may be right, but I don't like the way he expresses himself. I can just see him doing a similar thing about being a father (the excitement's gone, it's heading in the wrong direction, no respect for the nanny, tired of the noise/smell etc) before he makes a miraculous comeback in MotoGP or WSB
Allyc85 said:
-Pete- said:
"There are a lot of things that have disappointed me, and also a lot of things I have loved about this sport, but unfortunately the balance has gone in the wrong direction."
Anyone care to speculate what these things were? Although not a fan I admire his ability, and I thought he had a pretty good career, maybe apart from the sceptical media coverage when he had the food intolerance problem?
This explains it better....Anyone care to speculate what these things were? Although not a fan I admire his ability, and I thought he had a pretty good career, maybe apart from the sceptical media coverage when he had the food intolerance problem?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99662
Capirossi hasn't won for years - look at his feelings out-pouring when he quit the championship.
I do question if he ever had a true passion for the sport and not just a passion for winning. There are a few racers that occasionally have that air about them (Foggy, Coulthard to name a couple), but Stoner just seems to permanently be like it.
I don't mean to upset people or disrespect his achievements with these comments - it's just how I see his personality compared to others in the sport I've followed for 20 years.
I do think it's a shame and a loss for the sport and a shame that Stoner can't find the motivation to go on to be one of the all time greats.
3doorPete said:
Once again - he's whinged and whined and this time whined his way out of the championship. Maximum respect for his ability, minimum for his attitude that I believe has sucked from day one. The press have been harsh on him, but he gets easily wound up, so you can't blame them or other riders for pushing his buttons to get a reaction (his Mrs' rumoured affair was a great example).
This ^ there's just something about his attitude that makes me want to see him get beaten, whoever manages him isn't doing their job on the PR front.
Edited by blade7 on Thursday 17th May 21:24
3doorPete said:
I do think it's a shame and a loss for the sport and a shame that Stoner can't find the motivation to go on to be one of the all time greats.
I think you are going to find that Stoner will be remembered as one of the all time greats regardless. Spencer is viewed as an all time great, but as far as I can tell he wasn't around for too long thanks to burning himself out doing the 250//500 titles in the same year. It doesn't change the fact that he was a legend. From a raw pace perspective I don't think I've ever seen anyone with Stoner's ability. With regard to his image, yes he comes across as a bit of a prick. That said, so did Doohan. Add into the mix that it is in the journalists best interest for things to be controversial and you can never really take what you see in the press as an accurate reflection of the man. Judge him on his riding, not his talking.
He's a nice guy, and despite what many say has added a unique character to MotoGP with his riding and his off-track comments and 'arguments' with Rossi. He is a f*cking whinger tho and I'll never understand why: he makes millions of pounds to ride motorbikes, I can understand the occasional whinge but not the constant complaining that came from Casey Moaner.
Wish him the best of luck though in his future endeavours. I know he has a serious interest in karting and said he'd like to drive a V8 supercar but I thikn he should set his sights a bit higher: F1. Imho Stoner isn't as talented as Rossi but I still think he's good enough and young enough that he could be a regular podium finisher by 30 if he switched now. Too bad Honda no longer has an F1 team Stoner could 'intern' at.
Wish him the best of luck though in his future endeavours. I know he has a serious interest in karting and said he'd like to drive a V8 supercar but I thikn he should set his sights a bit higher: F1. Imho Stoner isn't as talented as Rossi but I still think he's good enough and young enough that he could be a regular podium finisher by 30 if he switched now. Too bad Honda no longer has an F1 team Stoner could 'intern' at.
LoonR1 said:
If he's not enjoying it then fair play to him. It's a shame for us though, as he'll always be the "what if" factor in any discussion about great riders & champions.
I think the Simoncelli incident and having a new baby is what's pushing this decision. Does he want a child being brought up as an orphan (worst case) or with a Dad who's a stranger, when he can be there all the time.
How many of us would have quit work if we could financially when kids were involved?
Remember to us his job is a dream job, to him it's a pay cheque and he doesn't need any more of them.
Surely a Great rider and champion is one who doesn't just ride for a pay cheque. If he was just after money I would have chipped in and got him paid off sooner. I think the Simoncelli incident and having a new baby is what's pushing this decision. Does he want a child being brought up as an orphan (worst case) or with a Dad who's a stranger, when he can be there all the time.
How many of us would have quit work if we could financially when kids were involved?
Remember to us his job is a dream job, to him it's a pay cheque and he doesn't need any more of them.
Edited by LoonR1 on Thursday 17th May 19:22
He's a bike racer, it's his job, the fact that it's the "dream" job for forumites alike, it's still his job. His "whinging" is honesty and telling it like it is, win or lose, he's the same "yeah we won, but we could have gone faster".
Is Rossi now just a whinger? I haven't heard him say anthing positive about the Ducati.
If you go onto the General Motorsport forum you'll find people saying the exact same things about Kimi Raikkonen, he doesn't give a s
t about the politicis, advertising and other stuff that goes on, he just likes to drive/ride, and do it fast. Even when it's a podium unless it's a win, it's just first loser.
Is Rossi now just a whinger? I haven't heard him say anthing positive about the Ducati.
If you go onto the General Motorsport forum you'll find people saying the exact same things about Kimi Raikkonen, he doesn't give a s
t about the politicis, advertising and other stuff that goes on, he just likes to drive/ride, and do it fast. Even when it's a podium unless it's a win, it's just first loser.redtwin said:
Surely a Great rider and champion is one who doesn't just ride for a pay cheque. If he was just after money I would have chipped in and got him paid off sooner.
You'd probably have a job. Rumour has it that Stoner rejected an €8M contract from HRC for 2013, compared to his €4.5M contract for this year. The figures may not be spot on but the mutterings are that HRC offered him 'almost double' to take another year.I'm not sure how many doors we'd have between me and 3doorPete but the point is not about his ability, nor his desire to stop while he's on top and devote more time to his family and other interests. All of these are admirable things, I'm truly shocked that he's chosen the end of 2012 to do it, but respect his courage to make such a bold decision.
But the words in the 'Autosprout' article are so massively negative and, to be honest, at odds with what he does with a bike. The words say 'loser' and 'whinger' where the reality is he's a winner and should be feeling positive about himself and the world.
Anyway, I wonder if he'll come back on 2 or 4 wheels in the future? I'd say it's more than 50/50 odds.
But the words in the 'Autosprout' article are so massively negative and, to be honest, at odds with what he does with a bike. The words say 'loser' and 'whinger' where the reality is he's a winner and should be feeling positive about himself and the world.
Anyway, I wonder if he'll come back on 2 or 4 wheels in the future? I'd say it's more than 50/50 odds.
Fair play Casey, if I was in a position to retire I would! He hasn't exactly made the Motogp races interesting of late by being so bloody good, but my god he can ride a bike and I'll miss watching his skill.
Anyone else follow @sofaracer on twitter. I nearly spit my dinner all over the keyboard....
"In a Motorhome in a quiet corner of the paddock. Alberto Puig, in a black leather chair, smiles as he strokes a white cat"
Anyone else follow @sofaracer on twitter. I nearly spit my dinner all over the keyboard....
"In a Motorhome in a quiet corner of the paddock. Alberto Puig, in a black leather chair, smiles as he strokes a white cat"
Rawwr said:
redtwin said:
Surely a Great rider and champion is one who doesn't just ride for a pay cheque. If he was just after money I would have chipped in and got him paid off sooner.
You'd probably have a job. Rumour has it that Stoner rejected an €8M contract from HRC for 2013, compared to his €4.5M contract for this year. The figures may not be spot on but the mutterings are that HRC offered him 'almost double' to take another year.honda: Casey we'll double your dosh
Casey: Errr no mate
Honda: we'll double the double
Casey: No mate I'm retired
Honda: Ok Ok same money you don't have to do any promotional rubbish; and Adrianna can hold the brolly
Casey: Ok, I always loved MotoGP
Jayyylo said:
Marquez to take Stoner's seat?
Leaving the door open to Lorenzo for a season, then we'll see great battles once Marquez has settled in.
Crutchlow vs Pedrosa for 3rd.
Marquez can't take Stoner's seat. No rookies are allowed in the Factory Team. He would have to take Bradl's or Bautista's ride and one of them promoted to the Repsol squad.Leaving the door open to Lorenzo for a season, then we'll see great battles once Marquez has settled in.
Crutchlow vs Pedrosa for 3rd.
-Pete- said:
I'm not sure how many doors we'd have between me and 3doorPete but the point is not about his ability, nor his desire to stop while he's on top and devote more time to his family and other interests. All of these are admirable things, I'm truly shocked that he's chosen the end of 2012 to do it, but respect his courage to make such a bold decision.
But the words in the 'Autosprout' article are so massively negative and, to be honest, at odds with what he does with a bike. The words say 'loser' and 'whinger' where the reality is he's a winner and should be feeling positive about himself and the world.
Anyway, I wonder if he'll come back on 2 or 4 wheels in the future? I'd say it's more than 50/50 odds.
I get where you are coming from, but if you compare him to everyone's fan favourite: Colin Edwards. Sadly, Colin has never met the expectations that many people had for him. He has had some top machinery over the years but never performed. Now, when he was asked why he wasn't winning he was always very honest and gave his reasons ( if I remember correctly in his Honda years it was "chatter"). This was widely accepted by the masses as 'a reason'. When Stoner does the exact same (the ony difference is that he doesn't have Col's way with words or charisma, but very few do) he is lambasted for rolling out excuses and whinging. It always strikes me as a bit of double standard that we like to apply to bike racers where racers we support are honest and great, and those we don't like many excuses and whine. Maybe it's a human nature thing. But the words in the 'Autosprout' article are so massively negative and, to be honest, at odds with what he does with a bike. The words say 'loser' and 'whinger' where the reality is he's a winner and should be feeling positive about himself and the world.
Anyway, I wonder if he'll come back on 2 or 4 wheels in the future? I'd say it's more than 50/50 odds.
Well everyone knew it was coming. He can't be compared to Rossi as he doesnt have the same number of titles but he can say that he adapted to the bike to make it a winner wherever he went.
Maybe Nick Morgan offered him the job at MSS and he thought "bit of fairing bashing, cold rainy meetings, TC doing post race interviews? I'll have a bit of that!"
I dont think we've seen the last of him, even if he doesnt turn up on 2 wheels again.
Maybe Nick Morgan offered him the job at MSS and he thought "bit of fairing bashing, cold rainy meetings, TC doing post race interviews? I'll have a bit of that!"
I dont think we've seen the last of him, even if he doesnt turn up on 2 wheels again.
Dare2Fail said:
... strikes me as a bit of double standard that we like to apply to bike racers where racers we support are honest and great, and those we don't like many excuses and whine. Maybe it's a human nature thing.
Yeah, I see your point. I was a big fan of Colin in WSBK, and have been hugely disappointed by his MotoGP career. But his 'excuses' came from someone who needed... well... excuses. But Casey doesn't, what's he got to explain, apart from the dietary problem? But yes, Colin and Valentino and, well to be honest all of them have Charisma, and Casey doesn't. I doubt if it stops him sleeping though.Or maybe it does? He doesn't seem to be happy with his lot, despite being a proven winner.
Jayyylo said:
Dare2Fail said:
Marquez can't take Stoner's seat. No rookies are allowed in the Factory Team. He would have to take Bradl's or Bautista's ride and one of them promoted to the Repsol squad.
I wasn't aware of that. Is it an official rule or a Honda rule?Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff