whinger stoner may not finish the season
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Stig said:
Jetl3on said:
C8PPO said:
Jetl3on said:
with this crap one tyre rule coming into effect.
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide!Level (tyre) playing field, Rossi for #9 next year??
Since when did Ducati ever run away from a fight?
Lets not start this level field debate, it will never be equal, the losers (Rossi and yamaha 2007) will want the same as Ducati when they pull the next ace card from under their sleeve, besides since when did Rossi require equal footing to win? Since Casey came along maybe? (JOKE, Dont start!!)
Score is Rossi 1, Stoner 1, bring it on.
C8PPO said:
Ah, so if Stoner were to win next year (I know, I know )and Rossi were to retire, (I know, I know ) then Stoner would have a higher all-time record than Rossi because he scored more champs while they raced together?
I geddit....
Not higher all time exactly, but head to head, for the sake of this never ending discussion, Rossi v Stoner, it only fair to compare riders over the same time frame against each other.... )and Rossi were to retire, (I know, I know ) then Stoner would have a higher all-time record than Rossi because he scored more champs while they raced together?I geddit....
Rawwr said:
Rocket Pepper said:
It's a bloody disgrace. If he were in with a shot he'd be racing no matter what. That he isn't doesn't excuse him, or Ducati from not racing the slot they occupy. Imagine if every rider/team did so. Imagine if it were earlier in the season.
Are you suggesting Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Hayden and Hopkins should all have been forced to race with their injuries this season, too? In fact, when Pedrosa pulled out of racing, he was just 16pts from leading the championship, let alone 87pts and 13pts away from a mathematical impossibility. Stoner and Ducati can elect to either take the healing time now in preperation for GP9 testing and the preseason or they can continue to cause further damage and begin writing off their 2009 season now. Which would you prefer to see?Rocket Pepper said:
Frankly, this has 'Italian' sore losers written all over it. Straight out of the Ferrari rules to race by book.
I'm not quite sure how you're drawing that comparison but if you really want to talk about Italian sore losers, as a Rossi fanatic you're on extraordinarily thin ice there.Why can't you [collective] just be happy that Rossi has won the World Championship? Isn't that enough? Why does it appear that every Rossi fanatic seems to care less about Rossi winning and more about trashing other riders? Look on the bright side, if Stoner stops racing now, he'll end up 3rd in the championship and then you'll be able to comment on how terrible a third place finish is, which lets face it, is what you really want to do.
Jetl3on said:
Fire99 said:
Crikey, some of you lot are cranky buggers! 
It's all opinion.
I will say that the Ducati team do strike me to have traits like the Ferrari F1 team where winning may weigh slightly greater than sportsmanship and integrity and i don't think that helps Stoner's P.R. Perhaps harsh but just a feeling..
Opinion is one thing, making stuff up because you dont like someone is quite another. Ignoring your immature remarks and take your comment above for example, what traits exactly are you talking about that likens them to Ferrari? what has Ducati done in their short 5 year MGP history that has been unsporting? It's all opinion.I will say that the Ducati team do strike me to have traits like the Ferrari F1 team where winning may weigh slightly greater than sportsmanship and integrity and i don't think that helps Stoner's P.R. Perhaps harsh but just a feeling..
Regarding my Ferrari / Ducati comment, i got it round the twist. I got it confused with WSB and the 1200 twin issues.. Anyway back-pedal on that point.. my cock-up!
wassy said:
You are all forgetting the man who is going to wipe the floor with them next year.
Look how Rossi behaved when he became his teammate, he was rattled until George hurt himself and lost confidence.
A fully fit Lorenzo on equal tyres will win the championship.
To finish first, first you have to finish.Look how Rossi behaved when he became his teammate, he was rattled until George hurt himself and lost confidence.
A fully fit Lorenzo on equal tyres will win the championship.
Beemer-5 said:
Stig said:
Jetl3on said:
Lets not split hairs, you all know what I mean, in the 3 years since Stone cold Stoner arrived, it is Stoner 1- Rossi 1.
Casey drew first blood, now its evens stevens.
I'm sure you and Casey will make a lovely couple Casey drew first blood, now its evens stevens.
Now now gentlemen please, no punching below the belt!!
Beemer-5 said:
Rawwr will make it 3 in a bed!
I think you'll find, unlike some of the blinkered simpletons posting, my views are quite objective. If Stoner's being a dick, like at Laguna Sega, I won't sit here hanging off his balls I'll sit here and say he's a dick.I can usually rattle off a better line of logic than; "Oh, because he's won 8 championships." to an argument, too.
Rawwr, there's no getting on your good side is there. If you don't see it my way fine. No need to pick the bones out of my comment in an effort to make yourself look all magnanimous and humble. It's only my opinion after all. No need for you to take it so personal old chum.
And my opinion is, Stoner has a sarcastic manner, of which I believe I have seen several times when observing him on TV interviews. It's my opinion Stoner's comment post race yesterday was said with gritted teeth and there was a certain amount of sarcasm in it. Maybe because I don't see him as the riding god some do, and I believe he wouldn't be so fortunate, not that he's a bad rider/racer, had he not have had by far the best bike and tyres last season, I'm able to be just as objective as you and recognise his faux par. He certainly wouldn't have been a world champion had he have been on Michelins like all the other top flight teams last season.
That's just my opinion as I said. You're entitled to yours, but not at the expense of trying to make me sound foolish thank you.
And my opinion is, Stoner has a sarcastic manner, of which I believe I have seen several times when observing him on TV interviews. It's my opinion Stoner's comment post race yesterday was said with gritted teeth and there was a certain amount of sarcasm in it. Maybe because I don't see him as the riding god some do, and I believe he wouldn't be so fortunate, not that he's a bad rider/racer, had he not have had by far the best bike and tyres last season, I'm able to be just as objective as you and recognise his faux par. He certainly wouldn't have been a world champion had he have been on Michelins like all the other top flight teams last season.
That's just my opinion as I said. You're entitled to yours, but not at the expense of trying to make me sound foolish thank you.
Edited by Rocket Pepper on Tuesday 30th September 00:53
Rocket Pepper said:
And my opinion is, Stoner has a sarcastic manner, of which I believe I have seen several times when observing him on TV interviews. It's my opinion Stoner's comment post race yesterday was said with gritted teeth and there was a certain amount of sarcasm in it. Maybe because I don't see him as the riding god some do, and I believe he wouldn't be so fortunate, not that he's a bad rider/racer, had he not have had by far the best bike and tyres last season, I'm able to be just as objective as you and recognise his faux par. He certainly wouldn't have been a world champion had he have been on Michelins like all the other top flight teams last season.
That's just my opinion as I said. You're entitled to yours, but not at the expense of trying to make me sound foolish thank you.
I dont think anyone sees Casey as God, but you certainly do not give him the credit he deserves.That's just my opinion as I said. You're entitled to yours, but not at the expense of trying to make me sound foolish thank you.
Edited by Rocket Pepper on Tuesday 30th September 00:53
If you are right and he is saying it with gritted teeth, could it be because he does not hold Rossi in the same giddy heights as everyone else? He has beaten Rossi on several occaisions, will do it again in 2009 and does not hold any fear.
As long as he shows some respect to his rivals, why should Rossi get any special adulation?
Perhaps his perception of Rossi is based on realtime knowledge and not his reputation, he is better placed to form an opinion on Rossi than you or I.
Does opinion overide fact? The Ducati has never been the best bike on the grid, reports suggest it is the most advanced and the fastest, how do you see otherwise? The Michelin being so bad in 2007, made the Ducati untouchable in Stoners hands, thats racing.
And by your logic, if the Ducati was the best bike, does that mean anybody could have ridden it to success? If so, why havent they?
Now the bikes are evenly matched, how has Stoner managed to win 4 races, set the most pole positions and fastest laps this season?
Apart from your personal feelings towards Casey, which you are entitled to, your opinions are at odds with the facts.
Jetl3on said:
He has beaten Rossi on several occaisions, will do it again in 2009 and does not hold any fear.
Not wishing to pick bones but is he really without fear? Personally the Laguna Seca race and his after-race reaction showed to me he certainly does have a level he doesn't want to go beyond.At the end of the day as i've said, personally i've not warmed to Stoner yet and i have some doubt as to his performance if Traction control were to be banned..
He's very good, but i don't know if he's great.
Rocket Pepper said:
Rawwr, there's no getting on your good side is there. If you don't see it my way fine. No need to pick the bones out of my comment in an effort to make yourself look all magnanimous and humble. It's only my opinion after all. No need for you to take it so personal old chum.
I'm not picking bones, I'm asking pretty simple questions as enquiry to your line of thinking.Rocket Pepper said:
And my opinion is, Stoner has a sarcastic manner, of which I believe I have seen several times when observing him on TV interviews. It's my opinion Stoner's comment post race yesterday was said with gritted teeth and there was a certain amount of sarcasm in it. Maybe because I don't see him as the riding god some do, and I believe he wouldn't be so fortunate, not that he's a bad rider/racer, had he not have had by far the best bike and tyres last season, I'm able to be just as objective as you and recognise his faux par. He certainly wouldn't have been a world champion had he have been on Michelins like all the other top flight teams last season.
You can't pass untestable supposition as fact. You can't say "he certainly wouldn't have been a world champion if..." because it's simply cannot be proven or disproven. If you're driving down that particular avenue of thought, it can quite easily be countered with "If Stoner was still on the Michelin-shod LCR Honda in 2007, he'd definitely still have won the championship by a country mile". Both statements carry the same amount of argumentative weight: zero.Rocket Pepper said:
That's just my opinion as I said. You're entitled to yours, but not at the expense of trying to make me sound foolish thank you.
The subtle difference is that I feel I can adequately use facts, statistics and personal experience to enforce what I'm saying. All we see from you, repeatedly, is unenforceable, untestable, fuzzy thinking.Edited by Rocket Pepper on Tuesday 30th September 00:53
Fire99 said:
Jetl3on said:
He has beaten Rossi on several occaisions, will do it again in 2009 and does not hold any fear.
Not wishing to pick bones but is he really without fear? Personally the Laguna Seca race and his after-race reaction showed to me he certainly does have a level he doesn't want to go beyond.At the end of the day as i've said, personally i've not warmed to Stoner yet and i have some doubt as to his performance if Traction control were to be banned..
He's very good, but i don't know if he's great.
My comment regarding fear is in relation to Rossi, he does not fear Rossi. One of Rossi`s strengths is his psychological warfare and the poor losers are beaten before then even start the race, ask Biaggi and co.
That tactic does not work on Stroner, hence why he had to change his gameplan, lead from the front at Laguna, leave the mind games behind.
Stoner at Laguna showed he is not prepared to go beyond a certain limit, Rossi showed yet again, he will do whatever it takes to win.
Just different abilities and levels of confidence, as it stands Rossi is above all else, which is no discredit to Stoner.
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