Predictions for future classics
Discussion
I'm looking for your predictions and reasons for which bikes, you see are currently at a LOW EBB IN VALUE and will go the way of the Z1's, RD350's, KH Triples and the like from the 70's and 80's. I guess this is mainly going to be 90's and 00's fodder. Which bikes would you buy cheap now and tuck away in the garage for future restoration?
For me :
ZXR750R - cheapest of the WSB homologation bikes. Good ones can only go up as can be picked up for sub £2K.
ZX7R - plentiful and cheap. Good ones getting harder to find. Golden age of superbikes. I think 10 years until considered true classic though.
Suzuki RGV250 - has to go the same way in value as RD350's and are so cheap still.
Honda RVF400 - More exclusive than the NC30's, they are cheap, but holding their value well. I think with RC30's and 45's getting astronomical, the pinnacle of 400 development will go up in the next 5 years.
Honda VTR1000R SP1 - For a WSB homologation HRC developed bike, these are dirt cheap at the moment. More successful than the RC45, it has to go up in the next 5 years.
For me :
ZXR750R - cheapest of the WSB homologation bikes. Good ones can only go up as can be picked up for sub £2K.
ZX7R - plentiful and cheap. Good ones getting harder to find. Golden age of superbikes. I think 10 years until considered true classic though.
Suzuki RGV250 - has to go the same way in value as RD350's and are so cheap still.
Honda RVF400 - More exclusive than the NC30's, they are cheap, but holding their value well. I think with RC30's and 45's getting astronomical, the pinnacle of 400 development will go up in the next 5 years.
Honda VTR1000R SP1 - For a WSB homologation HRC developed bike, these are dirt cheap at the moment. More successful than the RC45, it has to go up in the next 5 years.
Edited by 3doorPete on Sunday 8th November 17:19
kissmyrs said:
Really surprised at the low value of (some) Ducati's at the moment.
The 748/916 bikes are going for sub-3 grand. Must be worth more in the future.
ST's are really cheap. ST4 bikes are going for sub £2k (I've just bought an 8000 mile old bike for £1850). Very underrated bikes in my mind.
I'm also hoping the Fireblade RRW 929 will be a future classic. I've got one of them too!
Agree about the 916/748. I think they are cheap purely because the 996/998 exists along with the special edition SPS type models at the £3.5 - £6K price points. I think as they start to get really silly expensive in the next few years, it'll drag back up base 916/748.The 748/916 bikes are going for sub-3 grand. Must be worth more in the future.
ST's are really cheap. ST4 bikes are going for sub £2k (I've just bought an 8000 mile old bike for £1850). Very underrated bikes in my mind.
I'm also hoping the Fireblade RRW 929 will be a future classic. I've got one of them too!
Edited by kissmyrs on Sunday 8th November 17:58
Regional said:
I'm fairly new to bikes and had never heard of a 888 until last week, now i've seen the above pics they are very pretty indeed!
I still rate the GSXR750 SRAD if you can pick up a clean one, my mates was in PB last month in the 750 shootout - came out the best from YZF750 and ZX7R.
He's looking to sell as well I think, he wants a twin like an SP1.
GSXR750 SRAD came out the fastest in that test, but unless I'm mistaken, their favourite/best in the sum up was the ZX7R...? Might be biased as I have one though!I still rate the GSXR750 SRAD if you can pick up a clean one, my mates was in PB last month in the 750 shootout - came out the best from YZF750 and ZX7R.
He's looking to sell as well I think, he wants a twin like an SP1.
Waynester said:
wassy said:
Here's my SP5.
Bought it a few years ago when no one wanted them. The first owner paid £16k.
Probably worth £10k plus now but I'll never sell it ( although my son might when he eventually gets his hands on it ! ).
Got a couple more classic Ducati's that are worth quite a lot but the fact they have gone up in value is purely by chance.
I bought them because I liked them not for an investment.
Oh.....my!!! Bought it a few years ago when no one wanted them. The first owner paid £16k.
Probably worth £10k plus now but I'll never sell it ( although my son might when he eventually gets his hands on it ! ).
Got a couple more classic Ducati's that are worth quite a lot but the fact they have gone up in value is purely by chance.
I bought them because I liked them not for an investment.
My fave bike e v e r! followed closely by a UK spec RC30!I bought a new (GWB) ZXR 750 H2 - back in 1990....wish i still had it
I bought a 2nd hand (GWB) ZXR 750 H1 - a few years back to restore, i didn't, then sold it.
I also had a '94 Ducati 916 Strada - one of the 1st, mint! Should have kept it!
This thread is depressing me....
Oh, and for me...the usual bikes have already been mentioned but i'd like to see an original Kawasaki KR-1 (not S) in GWB.
Edited by Waynester on Monday 9th November 07:07
That 888 looks stunning Wassy!
Edited by 3doorPete on Monday 9th November 19:39
srob said:
3DP said:
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t-a-brick - I was more right than wrong in my original post!! Shame I was wrong about the bike I actually owned 
t-a-brick - I was more right than wrong in my original post!! Shame I was wrong about the bike I actually owned 
I just noticed that! Had you bought three or four you'd be up a nice new super bike by now 
I came very close to a mint VJ22 about 3 or 4 years ago for just over £2K but we couldn't agree on price.
I came close to buying a ZXR750R off a chap here, but in the end he decided to MoT it and keep it.
I'm hoping SRAD prices will rise for the few good ones out there, but I reckon we need another thread re-visit in 2019
GTIR said:
I don't know why the owners of bikes want it to go mental in value. What's the point if you're going to keep it?
And if you do sell it then you're fooling yourself. Go get a Harkey!
Also, if a bike price increases the parts and insurance increase.
There are many positives.And if you do sell it then you're fooling yourself. Go get a Harkey!
Also, if a bike price increases the parts and insurance increase.
a) you potentially make money on something you also enjoy.
b) more people see them as worth restoring and more people are becoming interested in them - therefore there ends up being more good ones and better owners club knowledge bases.
c) parts can become easier to get if pattern firms, aftermarket specialists or manufacturers increase supplies to capitalise on the renewed interest and money around a model.
d) other people begin to see what you see in a model. ie. 15 years ago a 350LC at a bike meet was likely a tatty ratty 2 stroke, largely ignored by all except those that would take a glance and think "ooh - I used to own one of those". Now there are lots of restored lovely ones and people go weak at the knees if they see them. If you liked them all along, others are appreciating what you appreciate.
e) hopefully the long term future of the model is assured, rather than all of them being broken, crashed and scrapped until none are left.
srob said:
I agree with all the above, but on the flipside I know a chap (well, knew, he's passed away now) who had always dreamed of owning an Aston Martin DB5. He restored loads of cheaper classics himself, and eventually built up enough value in his cars to be able to swap to the nicest DB5 I've ever seen, in Aston Racing Green. Sadly though, it was about 6 months before the price of them went through the roof. The thing gained something daft like £100,000 in a year or so, which meant the car in his garage was all of a sudden worth more than the house he was living in, and he just couldn't afford/justify keeping it so had to sell it.
I also wish that some of our bikes were worthless as they'll never be sold, mainly the ones Dad's had since before they were worth anything. It would take the worry of theft out. He once said that if he could get away with it he wouldn't insure them for theft as if one got stolen he wouldn't want another one, the ones he has are only valuable to him in memories and sentiment so he wouldn't buy another even if it got stolen.
That is when the values become driven by speculation rather than enthusiast driven though - which is not healthy - agreed. I also wish that some of our bikes were worthless as they'll never be sold, mainly the ones Dad's had since before they were worth anything. It would take the worry of theft out. He once said that if he could get away with it he wouldn't insure them for theft as if one got stolen he wouldn't want another one, the ones he has are only valuable to him in memories and sentiment so he wouldn't buy another even if it got stolen.
15 years since I started this thread, a third of my life ago!
Funnily enough I bought some of the bargains that would go up and although made money on some, should have just sat on them. I sold a lovely 996S with genuine carbon Ducati monoposto for £3k to buy an 1198! A 2000 mile as new 750 SRAD. Bought and sold for £2500!
Missed out on a mint VJ22 RGV 250 about 10 years ago, as seller wanted £2800 and I would only go to £2600. Similar story with a ZXR750R M for £4000.
I didn't see the Honda C90 market going mad, or I'd have sat on my collection of them!
As for the next wave of classics?
Analogue superbikes I reckon. They will be relatively cheap to maintain, more reliable than current crop (old IMUs, sensors and 15+ year old TFTs anyone?). To this end I would say, per 2017 GSXR1000, pre 2016 Fireblades, Ducati 1198s, Aprilia Tuono and RSV V twins. Perhaps Daytona 675s.
V twin sports Ducatis up to 1299 Panigale. Tick the box on sportsbike golden era and also V twin sports bikes are thing of the past.
SV650s maybe - lots raced, lots used by millenials as first proper bikes, rare to find nice ones. Similar to why RD350s and sports 400s went up.
Funnily enough I bought some of the bargains that would go up and although made money on some, should have just sat on them. I sold a lovely 996S with genuine carbon Ducati monoposto for £3k to buy an 1198! A 2000 mile as new 750 SRAD. Bought and sold for £2500!
Missed out on a mint VJ22 RGV 250 about 10 years ago, as seller wanted £2800 and I would only go to £2600. Similar story with a ZXR750R M for £4000.
I didn't see the Honda C90 market going mad, or I'd have sat on my collection of them!
As for the next wave of classics?
Analogue superbikes I reckon. They will be relatively cheap to maintain, more reliable than current crop (old IMUs, sensors and 15+ year old TFTs anyone?). To this end I would say, per 2017 GSXR1000, pre 2016 Fireblades, Ducati 1198s, Aprilia Tuono and RSV V twins. Perhaps Daytona 675s.
V twin sports Ducatis up to 1299 Panigale. Tick the box on sportsbike golden era and also V twin sports bikes are thing of the past.
SV650s maybe - lots raced, lots used by millenials as first proper bikes, rare to find nice ones. Similar to why RD350s and sports 400s went up.
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