RE: PH2: Brno MotoGP and Moscow WSB
RE: PH2: Brno MotoGP and Moscow WSB
Tuesday 28th August 2012

PH2: Brno MotoGP and Moscow WSB

PH2 catches up on the two-wheeled racing action over the bank holiday weekend



With Casey Stoner ruled out of the round (and championship challenge) after his Indy crash, Cal Crutchlow was aiming to make the spare spot on the podium his. A career best second spot on the grid saw Cal able to get the holeshot and run with the predictable leaders Lorenzo and Pedrosa. Behind them Rossi's Ducati provided some amusement for the crowds - unfortunately this entertainment involved wondering if it would blow up as it threw out smoke on the first few laps...

A new contract with Yamaha seems to have put fire in Cal's belly (future ex-teammate Dovi snapped the Ducati ride) and although unable to stay with the leaders he looked good for a maiden podium with Dovi behind.

A pretty dull race threatened some excitement with 10 laps to go when Dani slipped past Lorenzo, but then the procession continued until Lorenzo fought back in the closing few laps. Power versus handling - Honda versus Yamaha and at Brno handling nearly won as Lorenzo stuck it under Pedrosa on the last lap only to be out dragged to the line by Dani. A top last lap and a podium for Cal made one of the least exciting MotoGPs of the year worth watching. The championship is now wide open, but you just get the feeling 'nearly man' Pedrosa will be blighted by bad luck or injury before the end of the season. Anyway, there is a Brit on the GP podium for the first time in 11 years! Nice one Cal, maybe stick another litre of fuel in it next time...

Good and bad news for the Brits in Moto2 - Scott Redding crashed out on the first lap and Gino Rea took a trip into the gravel but Bradders saw a bit of a turn in his form to finish eighth. The race was won by Marquez from Luthi and Pol Espargaro.

A wet track saw Moto3 riders facing the usual gamble with tyres and most took the last minute decision to swap to drys - well there as a foot wide dry line appearing... Starting from back on the third row, Danny Kent led the second group of riders chasing down a pack of eight while wildcard John McPhee showed his class charging through the field to fourth. After toughing it out with the cream of the Moto3 crop for several laps, McPhee finished 15th while a late charge saw Kent finish seventh. The race was won by Folger from Salom and Cortese. Highlight of the race was Popov's crash (check it out on YouTube) - surf that bike son!

Superbikes in Moscow
Over in Moscow for WSB the rain was also falling but like in Moto3 the majority of the grid opted for slicks. After his Silverstone heroics Baz must have been rubbing his hands with glee...

Race one and predictably Sykes led the charge with Haslam, Laverty and Checa behind. The Spaniard's Ducati, not to mention his title chances, took another dent when he tagged Rea and hit the Russian tarmac. The Irishman followed a few laps later while Checa's team mate also fell. With Sykes well ahead the podium battle was an all-Brit affair between Laverty, Davies and Haslam before the diminutive Italian Marco Melandri joined the party. A clash between Haslam and Davies saw the pair drop out of contention (how the hell did Haslam's cartwheeled BMW re-start?) giving Marco an easy second spot and Biaggi, who nipped past Laverty on the last lap, third after Davis crashed having rode like a demon to regain lost ground.

Race two and on a dry track again Sykes stormed the start with Haslam, Rea and Laverty behind. The title looks likely to go to either Biaggi or Melandri and sure enough the battling Italians soon caught the chasing group, a few seconds behind Sykes but as it turned out too close to Haslam. The poor Brit got T-boned by an out of control Biaggi who looked to clip Rea in the build-up to the accident. Despite the loss of Haslam from the race the day finished with smiles in the BMW garage as Melandri caught Sykes and took the win and championship lead. Second went to Sykes with Davies third after Rea and Laverty collided on the last lap.


WSB Results:

Race one:
1 Sykes
2 Melandri
3 Biaggi
4 Laverty
5 Fabrizio

Race two:
1 Melandri
2 Sykes
3 Davies
4 Checa
5 Camier

Championship Points:
1 Melandri 308.5
2 Biaggi 290
3 Sykes 267.5
4 Checa 233.5
5 Rea 212.5

Brit watch (Race one, Race two):
Jonathan Rea: (DNF, 7)
Leon Haslam: (6, DNF)
Eugene Laverty: (4,DNF)
Ton Sykes: (1, 2)
Leon Camier: (14,5)
Chaz Davies (DNF, 3)

Author
Discussion

MrKipling43

Original Poster:

5,788 posts

242 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Such a boring race, other than the last lap. The riders just don't seem to care enough about leading anymore, other than over the line. If a rider is faster and in second, he seems far too happy to sit behind the first place man and make his move on the last lap or two. It makes perfect sense, but it's crap to watch.

Holeshot is the ride who gets through the first turn first, btw. That was Lorenzo.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Article said:
only to be out dragged to the line by Dani
That's not what I saw.

sandersc74

20 posts

194 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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MrKipling43 said:
Such a boring race, other than the last lap. The riders just don't seem to care enough about leading anymore, other than over the line. If a rider is faster and in second, he seems far too happy to sit behind the first place man and make his move on the last lap or two. It makes perfect sense, but it's crap to watch.

Holeshot is the ride who gets through the first turn first, btw. That was Lorenzo.
I can see where you are coming from. World Superbikes presents a better viewing for the spectator as it's a lot tighter, but the coverage of MotoGP is top drawer and the riders are near perfect. I think with Marquez and (hopefully) Rossi back in the mix next year we may have more riders challenging.

And if Cals podium and 2nd fastest qualifying is not proof that he deserves a top ride then I do not know what is. How can you pick Bradley Smith over Crutchlow?!! Still don't get it? Toseland was double WSB Champion and he struggled. Bradley can't even get on the podium in Moto2?!

CocoUK

1,065 posts

208 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Indeed, Pedrosa really worked hard for the win, not just 'dragged it'.

Top work by Cal, really chuffed for him & hopefully not ending up on the Duke will be a blessing...

Edit:
You have to remember what little dev Bradleys bike has compared to the others, even the likes of Rossi, Stoner & Lorenzo would struggle to get a step... maybe! :s

Edited by CocoUK on Tuesday 28th August 15:47

sandersc74

20 posts

194 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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CocoUK said:
Indeed, Pedrosa really worked hard for the win, not just 'dragged it'.

Top work by Cal, really chuffed for him & hopefully not ending up on the Duke will be a blessing...

Edit:
You have to remember what little dev Bradleys bike has compared to the others, even the likes of Rossi, Stoner & Lorenzo would struggle to get a step... maybe! :s

Edited by CocoUK on Tuesday 28th August 15:47
Brave comment. ;-)

Rawwr

22,722 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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I'm no fan of Bradley - he's ginger, after all - but that Tech3 Moto2 bike is a shonky old pig.

garypotter

2,062 posts

176 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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....is a shonky old pig



I think she lives in Brighton

Johno

8,593 posts

308 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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f you take the Catalunya race when Rossi and Lorenzo stalked each other and then fought it out on the last couple of lap everyone says its a classic, epic.

When its Pedrosa and Lorenzo doing the same it's boring ....

Lorenzo's first pass on Pedrosa was outstanding, given the inevitable comparison to Rossi passing Lorenzo being something more extraordinary in comparison.

Is this just about characters or am I missing something?

All the rave comments about riders stalking their quarry and delivering killer blows at the end of races seem to be boring racing to some people.

The way i saw it is neither of them had enough to get away from the other one and fighting every corner would result in them being caught by the riders behind. GP racing in the main has and always will be like this, unless everyone is on the same machinery and even that doesn't produce paint swapping racing either. Seems some people just don't like GP racing.

For me, the MGP race on Sunday showed 2 of the worlds best in a great struggle to win as its so important going into the 2nd half of the season. This meant they both put it on the line when it mattered and we spent the race debating who'd do it by the flag. It was intriguing, it was rivetting and it's the best race we've watched of MGP in ages.

RX7

258 posts

270 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Johno said:
f you take the Catalunya race when Rossi and Lorenzo stalked each other and then fought it out on the last couple of lap everyone says its a classic, epic.

When its Pedrosa and Lorenzo doing the same it's boring ....

Lorenzo's first pass on Pedrosa was outstanding, given the inevitable comparison to Rossi passing Lorenzo being something more extraordinary in comparison.

Is this just about characters or am I missing something?

All the rave comments about riders stalking their quarry and delivering killer blows at the end of races seem to be boring racing to some people.

The way i saw it is neither of them had enough to get away from the other one and fighting every corner would result in them being caught by the riders behind. GP racing in the main has and always will be like this, unless everyone is on the same machinery and even that doesn't produce paint swapping racing either. Seems some people just don't like GP racing.

For me, the MGP race on Sunday showed 2 of the worlds best in a great struggle to win as its so important going into the 2nd half of the season. This meant they both put it on the line when it mattered and we spent the race debating who'd do it by the flag. It was intriguing, it was rivetting and it's the best race we've watched of MGP in ages.
Whilst its caused quite a stir on here previously you are spot on, it very much seems as you put it, unless Rossi is the man winning, people dont want to know! Some guy even posted he will now watch MotoGp next year as Rossi will possibly be up the sharp end and winning. Folks seem to like characters and unfortunately the current crop of riders, Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa dont endear themselves to the masses, it seems people would prefer to see someone performing a pre rehearsed scene at the end of the race.

I guess we would all like to see the top riders banging fairings to lead but these days the young riders seem so mature with their race craft and the attitude of do or die has gone out the window, unless your Stoner trying to get past Pedrosa on the last lap for which he got criticised rather ironically!

Whilst the race was a little stale, watching it, you knew at some point Pedrosa was coming past and likewise it was more than likely he wasnt going to gap Lorenzo so he would come back at him and because these guys are so switched on you knew it wasnt going to be till pretty much the last lap!

Great result for Cal, first brit on a MotoGp podium for 12 years and the championship still wide open, maybe during the latter part of the season you might see some more desperate battles as the ability to score points will be running out!

Fleegle

16,710 posts

202 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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I saw a race that didn't change positions pretty much for 98% of the race.

I saw 2 blokes with a fag paper between them for most of the race, both knowing the slightest mistake would signal game over. Both fully focussed, both consistant in lap times, both trying to suss when to make a move knowing the other would immediately try to retake as the laps run out.

Utter respect for the determination both were showing in the last 10 laps, but an amazing move by Lorenzo was the only thing worth shouting about in that race.

As for comparisons, yes people will compare it to a Rossi move, but who gives a fk. The more people highlight others comparisons, the more it will hang around, and the more it will wind you up.

Only Rossi can do Rossi moves. That was a Lorenzo move and what a cracker it was

996 sps

6,165 posts

242 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Got to be honest I enjoyed the race I'd hardly compare it to Rossi and Lorenzo in 2009 that was a classic last few laps.

But to compare is irrelevant really hope Dani Pedrosa claws more points back and puts pressure on Lorenzo.