RE: PH2 Tested: Honda Crossrunner

RE: PH2 Tested: Honda Crossrunner

Thursday 16th June 2011

PH2 Tested: Honda Crossrunner

It's no ground-breaking innovator, but that doesn't stop the Crossrunner from being a grand bike, says Colin Goodwin




It's stretching it a bit to call the Honda Crossrunner a radical new concept. After all there's the Yamaha TDM 900, a bike that's been around for decades and that has a similar ground clearance and field-crossing off-road capability.


But what's really clever about the Crossrunner is the fact that it really isn't that new at all, because underneath it shares its major components with the VFR800. The chassis is virtually identical, with only a slightly repositioned shock mount to make the swingarm angle steeper, and front forks that have been slid through their yokes to increase ground clearance half an inch and slightly increase the wheelbase. The suspension components themselves are straight off the VFR, as are the wheels and brakes.

The engine is also VFR, but with a few changes to better suit the Crossrunner. Both the intake and exhaust systems are different to bolster mid-range torque. The inlet tracts are 20mm longer and 6mm narrower and the exhausts have different pipe lengths and link different cylinders. The electronics have been adjusted to take into account the changes to induction and exhaust systems, but now are also informed about throttle position and which gear the bike is in so that the power delivery can be adjusted to suit.

Almost 10 years ago I took the then-new VFR800 VTEC to the 'Ring for Two Wheels Only, along with the Ducati ST3, Triumph Sprint ST and a BMW so ugly I've managed to completely remove it from my memory. An R1150 ST I think. Road test editor Niall McKenzie and the rest of us were very disappointed by the Honda.


The step between the mellow low-revs performance and screaming VTEC power was like Jekyll and Hyde and, while it should have given a two-stroke like thrill, it was just annoying. We all preferred the outgoing non-VTEC VFR800 engine.

Honda still sells the VFR800, though I'm not sure in what numbers. They probably go to serial VFR buyers. If its engine is anything like the one fitted to the Crossrunner then the bike will have been transformed. You wouldn't believe fiddling with intake and exhaust pipes and tweaking the electronics could make such a difference. The changes have robbed a few horsepower from the top end, but it's been a worthwhile sacrifice. I took the Crossrunner down to Goodwood for a car launch along a virtually deserted A285. A road as exciting as the A285 on a warm day cloaked in sunshine and with little traffic is fun on pretty well anything with two wheels, so one has to not get carried away, but that said the Crossrunner was fantastic fun.

The engine now behaves and delivers in the fashion that Honda told us the original VTEC VFR's would. The engine purrs at low speed and then, as you wind it up, the purr turns to a snarl. Then as you pass 6500rpm and it starts to scream with a hard-edged howl. Yes, you feel a kick as the VTEC system brings changes the engine from 8- to 16-valve operation, but there's no irritating 'step'. Even with the stock exhaust the engine sounds incredible; with an aftermarket can it would have a positively narcotic effect.


The VFR wheels are wrapped in Pirelli Scorpion dual-purpose tyres, the same rubber that's fitted to the Ducati Multistrada, albeit with a slightly different profile. Still, I can't see many Crossrunner owners ever taking their bikes off road. The tyres will make traversing Brands Hatch's grass car parks easier but I doubt many Crossrunners will do anything much more challenging than that.

At 240kg the Crossrunner is quite a heavy bike, but it's extremely manageable at low speeds. It's also brilliant for filtering, as the raised handlebars (by six inches over the VFR) clear car mirrors and the bike feels stable down to walking speed and below.

The Crossrunner rides bumps well without being wallowy. There are a few really entertaining corners on the A285; one that is a virtual hairpin at the bottom of a hill (at a place called Duncton - I once saw an XR3i upside down in the field beyond it, surrounded by broken windsurfing boards and a couple of dazed and confused lads). For best results with the Crossrunner you have to not attack bends as if you're on a supermoto bike. Its handling is more traditional with quick steering being sacrificed for stability. It's a confidence-inspiring package.


Because the Crossrunner uses not just the VFR's frame but its footrests also, you end up with a rather hybrid riding position. The bottom half feels sports tourer, with feet near to the seat, while the top half is pure adventure bike with your body straight. There's a little screen to direct the wind blast off your torso, which makes speeds up to 100mph perfectly comfortable. There's a higher screen available for taller riders.

Honda is asking £9075 for the Crossrunner, which makes the Yamaha TDM900 look rather poor value at only £600 less. But it also makes the Triumph Tiger 800 and BMW F650 GS look like bargains.

You can add to the Crossrunner's price by speccing it with the optional luggage that's the same kit as fitted to the VFR1200 and turning it in the process into a fully fledged tourer. And this brings us to the Crossrunner's biggest failing and one that is likely to put off plenty of potential customers: It's thirsty.


On the dash display (borrowed from the CBR600F) I struggled to see mpg figures with anything other than a three in front of them. The fuel tank is a generous 4.74 gallons (21.5 litres) so the range is good, but these days a middleweight bike that can't do close to 50mpg when ridden gently is shockingly out of kilter with fuel prices.

The Crossrunner is a neat example of good business sense. With clever styling and a few simple layout changes, Honda has managed to create a new bike out of an existing package. It doesn't break the mould in the way that Honda thinks it does, but it's a very competent and easy-to-ride bike. And thanks to the improved vee-four engine, exhilarating when you want it to be.

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Stig

Original Poster:

11,817 posts

284 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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I nice detailed review, however, it could have been summed up with one acronym:

FUGLY.

30mpg is madness for a bike that should bne pitched at the commuter market. TDM does 60mpg all day long with it's venerable twin.

Edited by Stig on Wednesday 15th June 17:02

T84

6,941 posts

194 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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I think it looks good.

Harry H

3,398 posts

156 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Booooorrrrrriiiiiiiinnnggggg.

Why would you want that bike ??? Maybe it'd make a reasonable commuter but with MPG in the 30's it's a no no

ivantate

166 posts

168 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Recent Hondas seem way off with their real world fuel consumption.

Nice bike in concept and execution but Tiger 800 for me.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

187 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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used-nearly-new VFR800 and bar risers with a 3 grand saving for me please.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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I can't decide if it's bloody ugly or KTM style brutal, bit of both probably.

xspencex

1,534 posts

236 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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Something is not right if you're getting C.30 odd MPG.

Seen the bike in dealerships, I think its not bad looking especially up against tonka toy GS's etc.

Fleegle

16,689 posts

176 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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How could a marketing machine like Honda get something so badly wrong?

10 years too late, ugly and with poor consumption at a time when riders are actually taking mpg into consideration


Buy one if you want people to point and laugh at you

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

209 months

Wednesday 15th June 2011
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I am going to roadtest one when the weather improves.

30MPG is an improvement over my SP-1
hehe

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th June 2011
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I like the concept, like the idea of (refined)VFR800 mechanicals in a more upright package because the VFR bars are far too low for my liking, but...


The fuel consumption sounds terrible!

Admittedly, testers always seem to use a lot of fuel, but Hondas I've read about seem to be very thirsty. Even My carb'd Yam 600 does about 50mpg around the doors (and more on a run).

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Thursday 16th June 2011
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MC Bodge said:
Admittedly, testers always seem to use a lot of fuel
This is a good point, road tests of ST1100s suggest you'll be lucky to get upto 40mpg. Personally I struggle to get below 50mpg!

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th June 2011
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If the economy is better than suggested, this could be the MC Bodge bike for 2015.

TORQ

188 posts

229 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Another great bit of penmanship from Mr Goodwin, cheers, enjoyed reading that. This bike is spot on if you like an upright position and commute with a mix of town/ motorway. Shame about the MPG!

Ps- I have also seen a few spills on that Duncton bend! Epic riding/ driving road when quiet.

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Actually, looking at the bars, it appears not to use standard risers/clamps so you couldn't tweak the height very easily....

I'm ooot

Janluke

2,584 posts

158 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Had a shot on one of these at a local Honda open day(Grangemouth) Its far from a pretty bike but does look a little better in the flesh but its rides really well. Compared to my Tiger 1050 its felt smaller/lower, bit more flickable, very smooth injection low down. Same low down grunt and the VFR engine has a nice character on a par with the triple. At 9k I think its too expensive. Extras are silly money as well £1400 for luggage.

Not sure I could live with the looks as i buy my bikes with my heart. Its a bike you park up and don't glance back at as you walk away

PATTERNPART

693 posts

201 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Yuck

CliveM

525 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd June 2011
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I've got an '02 TDM900 that's probably worth c£1500.
It does 50+ mpg, is properly all day comfortable for 600 mile days in Europe and the only thing that has ever gone wrong in 35000 miles is one of the two bulbs illuminating the dash has blown. It also costs peanuts to service.

Sure it's not the last word in riding dynamics but on the road in 99% of situations it's the rider that determines "progress" rather than bike dynamics. I guess the car equivalent would be a 276 bhp NSX being just as quick as a 500bhp M5.

I'd happily pay up to £10K to replace it with something more "fun"...... trouble is I can't find something that is:

1) Appreciably quicker in the real world (ie up 0-100 mph / top gear roll on from 60-90)
AND
2) Comfortable enough for a week of all day riding
AND
3) Not going to cost more than £2K a year in depreciation / servicing
AND
4) Something special enough to make me look back at it when walking away

Stig

Original Poster:

11,817 posts

284 months

Thursday 23rd June 2011
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CliveM said:
I've got an '02 TDM900 that's probably worth c£1500.
It does 50+ mpg, is properly all day comfortable for 600 mile days in Europe and the only thing that has ever gone wrong in 35000 miles is one of the two bulbs illuminating the dash has blown. It also costs peanuts to service.

Sure it's not the last word in riding dynamics but on the road in 99% of situations it's the rider that determines "progress" rather than bike dynamics. I guess the car equivalent would be a 276 bhp NSX being just as quick as a 500bhp M5.

I'd happily pay up to £10K to replace it with something more "fun"...... trouble is I can't find something that is:

1) Appreciably quicker in the real world (ie up 0-100 mph / top gear roll on from 60-90)
AND
2) Comfortable enough for a week of all day riding
AND
3) Not going to cost more than £2K a year in depreciation / servicing
AND
4) Something special enough to make me look back at it when walking away
The only thing I've had that comes close (I've got an '03 TDM) is the Tiger 1050, but even then, I was never as convinced of its reliability vs. the Yam.

CliveM

525 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd June 2011
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Yup - thought of the Tiger but it seemed too close to bother changing. Reviews of engine had me interested but seeing the bike up close it didn't seem as "special" as I was expecting.
A bit of a "Monet" if you will....

Edited by CliveM on Thursday 23 June 14:40


Edited by CliveM on Thursday 23 June 14:41

MR2_SC

316 posts

184 months

Friday 24th June 2011
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CliveM said:
I've got an '02 TDM900 that's probably worth c£1500. .....

I'd happily pay up to £10K to replace it with something more "fun"...... trouble is I can't find something that is:

1) Appreciably quicker in the real world (ie up 0-100 mph / top gear roll on from 60-90)
AND
2) Comfortable enough for a week of all day riding
AND
3) Not going to cost more than £2K a year in depreciation / servicing
AND
4) Something special enough to make me look back at it when walking away
Have you looked at a ktm 990smt? Depreciation/overall quality/reliability e.t.c all look excellent.

Edited by MR2_SC on Saturday 25th June 14:16