Elecy handbrake
Discussion
magpies said:
The photo is me driving but not John navigating (he never sat in that seat). 3rd o/a on that event on Otterburn Military Ranges. I'm now Spectator Safety Officer up there.
Back on topic - I don't like the idea of an emergency brake that does not operate at normal driving speed.
The electronic h/b on my Seat Leon can be manually operated at any speed - as described in the manual.Back on topic - I don't like the idea of an emergency brake that does not operate at normal driving speed.
jojackson4 said:
QBee said:
See my offering half way down page 2 - a proper handbrake saved our lives in the mid 1960s
If this can be made to work It will operate at any speed just like it is now
I am following this with interest.
My main issues with the TVR handbrake are
1. its position is too high in the cabin for little old 5 ft 11in me, and
2. it takes the strength of Giant Haystacks to operate it.
If I was the same build as dear departed Peter Wheeler, my shoulders would be 6-9 inches higher in the cabin and i would be able to exert suitable yank on the handbrake without either failing to get it on properly, or dislocating my shoulder.
Also, every year I am past 60 I notice that I am losing more and more strength.
So please do work out a way to reduce the amount of force required to get the desired result.
An actuator and electric motor, attached to the existing handbrake lever, springs to mind as already mentioned above.
I am not too bothered about feel - my handbrake turn days ended the second time I had to replace just the rear tyres on a front wheel drive Mini.
My main issues with the TVR handbrake are
1. its position is too high in the cabin for little old 5 ft 11in me, and
2. it takes the strength of Giant Haystacks to operate it.
If I was the same build as dear departed Peter Wheeler, my shoulders would be 6-9 inches higher in the cabin and i would be able to exert suitable yank on the handbrake without either failing to get it on properly, or dislocating my shoulder.
Also, every year I am past 60 I notice that I am losing more and more strength.
So please do work out a way to reduce the amount of force required to get the desired result.
An actuator and electric motor, attached to the existing handbrake lever, springs to mind as already mentioned above.
I am not too bothered about feel - my handbrake turn days ended the second time I had to replace just the rear tyres on a front wheel drive Mini.
Steve_D said:
For nothing amiss you could 'repurpose' the central locking button on the door opening knob...nobody uses it anyway.
Steve
Steve
Have you never operate this locking button by mistakes with the elbow when driving? It occurs frequently for me, I don't want to imagine the consequences if the handbrake was connected to it.
Zeb74 said:
Steve_D said:
For nothing amiss you could 'repurpose' the central locking button on the door opening knob...nobody uses it anyway.
Steve
Steve
Have you never operate this locking button by mistakes with the elbow when driving? It occurs frequently for me, I don't want to imagine the consequences if the handbrake was connected to it.
There are many safety aspects coming into play which is why production car systems have their own ECU to deal with all the options.
Steve
Steve_D said:
Whichever method of switching was used I would wire it so that either the clutch or the footbrake has to be applied at the same time.
There are many safety aspects coming into play which is why production car systems have their own ECU to deal with all the options.
Steve
On my modern Peugeot (apologies for that There are many safety aspects coming into play which is why production car systems have their own ECU to deal with all the options.
Steve
), the epb can be activated when driving without any securities (which is also a safety measures).Zeb74 said:
On my modern Peugeot (apologies for that ), the epb can be activated when driving without any securities (which is also a safety measures).
That doesn't make sense, there must be limitations, perhaps it can be activated as long as the vehicle is doing less than say 5mph. The consequences of rear lockup are way too dangerous, see here), the epb can be activated when driving without any securities (which is also a safety measures).https://youtu.be/UqcCA8u0uA4
Eta Internet says Peugeot epb automatically disengages if the vehicle is driven forward or reverse
Edited by bobfather on Monday 31st August 15:02
bobfather said:
That doesn't make sense, there must be limitations, perhaps it can be activated as long as the vehicle is doing less than say 5mph. The consequences of rear lockup are way too dangerous, see here
Eta Internet says Peugeot epb automatically disengages if the vehicle is driven forward or reverse
https://youtu.be/UqcCA8u0uA4
Eta Internet says Peugeot epb automatically disengages if the vehicle is driven forward or reverse
https://youtu.be/UqcCA8u0uA4
you can't fight against stupidity, even with technology, but by definition, a security brake should operate in any conditions (I have checked, what I was saying previously about epb s wrong, the regulation asks that they can be operate even if the car has no more electricity, they have a small accumulator to work autonomously) And yes, the handbrake is automatically disengaged when you were stopped and then you moved (this is like this not only on Peugeot but on all epb systems). But, I have tested to activate it when driving and I can guarantee that it is working, maybe it is not working after a certain speed (I don't remember what was my speed), but I have a lot of doubt on this.
Edited by Zeb74 on Monday 31st August 16:04
^^
My wife only drove it once ever she didnt like the responsibility 
both my daughters would have a go though I'm sure My wife (5 ft 4 and 8 stone) had to drive mine on one occasion in 2012, 45 miles home when I was driving a 7.5 tonne hired truck and following her.
She hated it, the heavy clutch (this was pre clutch servo), sitting for 20 minutes in slow moving traffic with foot on said clutch, low sitting position, bumpy fen roads etc etc. She has never driven it since and isn't even insured on it.
The handbrake didn't even come into the equation - it's now her nickname on the rare occasions she passengers in the car.
She hated it, the heavy clutch (this was pre clutch servo), sitting for 20 minutes in slow moving traffic with foot on said clutch, low sitting position, bumpy fen roads etc etc. She has never driven it since and isn't even insured on it.
The handbrake didn't even come into the equation - it's now her nickname on the rare occasions she passengers in the car.
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