Big Deep Breath for the Body off!!!

Big Deep Breath for the Body off!!!

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schimg

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1,923 posts

255 months

Friday 11th November 2005
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jhbarford said:
"I will do the chassis in the same stuff cos it is engine paint and will withstand the heat that the manifolds throw at the chassis...this is a real suprise seen another one that has suffered bad corrosion in this area"

er yes that will probably be my car, currently at Adrian Venn's to be fixed as I am too old/disillusioned/lazy to do myself.

Am new to the forum but there is a bit of a story behind this one, anyone who is interested email me direct.



Jon,

Firstly welcome, hopefully you are in the West Mids,I might know you already?

Er bit of a delicate situation this, apologies for the publicity, then yes it must your car that I have seen.

That said I think that you have taken it to the right place, got my chassis back last night, all looks good, Adrian has spent much time and effort...and more importantly THOUGHT into reworking this. I can only guess that you have left your car with him after giving it some serious consideration...bit like I did with my chassis, as I had other options.

Spoke with him this pm regarding my car in passing he gave me the low down on the areas he will address with your car...sounds like it will be A1.

Some of the engine mods on your chim are pretty radical, should be well sorted after all this heartache....which I can fully relate to!

Feel free to contact me to compare notes....pop over have a look at the chassis if you want.

Steve.

p.s. typing this with one finger with my little lad asleep on my lap, so can't be arsed with spell hecking (sic)it!!

Steve.G

schimg

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255 months

Friday 11th November 2005
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marsdalebear said:
Just been next door to see Steves new refurbed chassis. VERY impressed with the workmanship and detail finish of the welding and fabrication. Dont know what he paid for it but looks to be worth every penny.
Now we just have to wait and see what revolting colour he paints it but it cant be worse than the rest of the car...........can it?


You see I accept you into my confidence then all you can do is build me up and then...knock me down again!

Bought loads od of new bolts for the chassis this pm, plus stainless nuts washers.

POR15 arrived too today, so chassis will be painted silver over the weekend, then another colour on Sunday (MPH05 permitting)/Monday.
Dropping stuff off at Customcrhrome in AM, things like the front chassis cross member, front anti roll bar brackets, alternator cowling strap....I know bling!

marsdalebear

136 posts

249 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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He is now on the third coat of POR.......Time to buy shares in the company.
Rumour has it that the chassis colour will be Pensioner Blue,should go well with Ladyboy Yellow bodywork

This has just guaranteed that he will NEVER speak to me again!

Taraka 001

33 posts

241 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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*This has just guaranteed that he will never speak to me again*

LUCKY YOU!

schimg

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1,923 posts

255 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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Help a requirement for some knowledge!

I am going to change the front ball joints both top one's and the bottom one's so what make and model cars are these off?
Is it Saab something or other top one's and Ford bottom?

Also what are the track rod ends off, mine has non PAS, may change the steering gaitors too, anyone done this on here?

Thanks in anticipation.

Steve.

schimg

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255 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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marsdalebear said:
He is now on the third coat of POR.......Time to buy shares in the company.
Rumour has it that the chassis colour will be Pensioner Blue,should go well with Ladyboy Yellow bodywork

This has just guaranteed that he will NEVER speak to me again!


Jon,

Wrong again 2 coats of POR15...now I can start painting in the garage out of sight of those curtain twitching neighbours, anyway thought you bu**ering off to Germany again! Tha damage will be done by the time you get back!

p.s. thanks for the lift

schimg

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255 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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Taraka 001 said:
*This has just guaranteed that he will never speak to me again*

LUCKY YOU!



He'd be gutted if I stopped speaking to him (again!), should have seen the smile on his face Saturday afternoon after Moog took him for a blat in his cerbie, he even managed to make a positve comment about a TVR!

I've always found that texting is an excellant way to communicate eitherway!

David H

809 posts

243 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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Top ball joint is Saab 900 I think
Bottom ball joint is Lada Riva/Niva I think
Track rod end is MK 2 Escort

Take your old ones with you to make sure you have a match. The Bottom ball joints will need modifying to allow the holes to line up with the holes in the wishbones.

chevtrev

785 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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schimg said:
Help a requirement for some knowledge!

I am going to change the front ball joints both top one's and the bottom one's so what make and model cars are these off?
Is it Saab something or other top one's and Ford bottom?

Also what are the track rod ends off, mine has non PAS, may change the steering gaitors too, anyone done this on here?

Thanks in anticipation.

Steve.


I'd make sure the bottoms are TVR specific,the Lada's although they can be redrilled to match,have a rounded bottom as apposed to the originals being straight and fitting snug in the wishbone.
The tops are bang on Saab 900 early 90's,if you order 91 you can't go wrong.
I would like to no what the track rod ends come of too.

schimg

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Tuesday 15th November 2005
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chevtrev said:
schimg said:
Help a requirement for some knowledge!

I am going to change the front ball joints both top one's and the bottom one's so what make and model cars are these off?
Is it Saab something or other top one's and Ford bottom?

Also what are the track rod ends off, mine has non PAS, may change the steering gaitors too, anyone done this on here?

Thanks in anticipation.

Steve.


I'd make sure the bottoms are TVR specific,the Lada's although they can be redrilled to match,have a rounded bottom as apposed to the originals being straight and fitting snug in the wishbone.
The tops are bang on Saab 900 early 90's,if you order 91 you can't go wrong.
I would like to no what the track rod ends come of too.



Paul,

Thanks for the reply, I will check the Saab jobbies out. I thought one of them would be a TVR specific part, so it looks like I will heading over to Power later cashcard in hand....

If I find out what the track rod ends are off I will post it on here, I will take them off tonight and take them Mataquip in Coventry see what they come up with.

David H

809 posts

243 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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Err, see my post above Pauls for the track rod answer!

schimg

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255 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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David H said:
Err, see my post above Pauls for the track rod answer!


David,

Just noticed this, I am sure that it wasn't there when I posted yesterday....but a strange thing happened when I replied to MR Jellison on the thread about the £4K chim, put the reply on couldn't see it ...so put it on again, still couldn't see it gave up logged off the system (at work), then Outlook/Iternet plus other stuff fell down...it's that or I have lost it (again!)

Moog and myself took the hubs apart last night so going to source the parts today, all will be replaced except wheel bearings which are fine apart from the manky covers, these are Ford bits so will price up replacements, whilst getting the track rod ends, thanks for the pointer David!

Oh yeah the centre wheel bearing (hub) nut was a real monkey so Moog has taken the hubs away to remove clean up and get the hub shot blasted prior to rebuild, top bloke, nice hat.

Thanks for all of your help much appreciated.

Steve.

marsdalebear

136 posts

249 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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[quote=David H]Top ball joint is Saab 900 I think
Bottom ball joint is Lada Riva/Niva I think
Track rod end is MK 2 Escort

Still insist that its not a Kit Car Steve? Lada Riva/Niva.......you just have to laugh!!

marsdalebear

136 posts

249 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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he even managed to make a positve comment about a TVR!

Top car,Top drive, TOP driver....what more can I say?

schimg

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Sunday 20th November 2005
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marsdalebear said:
he even managed to make a positve comment about a TVR!

Top car,Top drive, TOP driver....what more can I say?


Jon,

Yes I agree, but poor taste in indicator colour though!

tweety

829 posts

261 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2005
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Hi Steve, only just found this topic, you're a brave man, at least I was right in thinking the Chim was in good hands on that fateful day when you drove it away. Was the chassis really that bad then?, makes me wonder what the Griff is like under the powdercoating. Still it's not had such a hard life, so hopefully I won't be in your position for a few years yet. The Chims had a good bit of exposure in Sprint recently and is looking really good. I like the idea of a chromed chassis, but is it possible? If not then like you say either body colour or a decent blue would look fantastic. You should have contacted me about the fuel cap, the hole was of my drilling. When I had the previous Griff this was done as an aid for breathing, so I just replicated it. There was no known problem it just saves only partially doing the cap up or getting a banging from the tank if there does become a blockage. I wish I was closer to you, I would have happily helped in any way possible, it's only through doing this sort of thing that you learn, possibly never to do it again, you tell me. I look froward to seeing the car again one day and by the time you've finished I think the only thing recognisable will be the reg. Good luck with it, sounds like you've got off to a fantastic start and I'll keep a lookout for the thread to see how it's progressing. Drop me a mail anytime I'd like to stay in contact if possible. Cheers, Al.

schimg

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Thursday 24th November 2005
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tweety said:
Hi Steve, only just found this topic, you're a brave man, at least I was right in thinking the Chim was in good hands on that fateful day when you drove it away. Was the chassis really that bad then?, makes me wonder what the Griff is like under the powdercoating. Still it's not had such a hard life, so hopefully I won't be in your position for a few years yet. The Chims had a good bit of exposure in Sprint recently and is looking really good. I like the idea of a chromed chassis, but is it possible? If not then like you say either body colour or a decent blue would look fantastic. You should have contacted me about the fuel cap, the hole was of my drilling. When I had the previous Griff this was done as an aid for breathing, so I just replicated it. There was no known problem it just saves only partially doing the cap up or getting a banging from the tank if there does become a blockage. I wish I was closer to you, I would have happily helped in any way possible, it's only through doing this sort of thing that you learn, possibly never to do it again, you tell me. I look froward to seeing the car again one day and by the time you've finished I think the only thing recognisable will be the reg. Good luck with it, sounds like you've got off to a fantastic start and I'll keep a lookout for the thread to see how it's progressing. Drop me a mail anytime I'd like to stay in contact if possible. Cheers, Al.


Al,

Good to hear from you, er brave no ....mad/obsessed yes! Yes I guess it went to a good home, you really gave it a good start, wheels/badges/hoses...and LT stuff, i just kept on with the theme, the car wan't original and was in your face with the colour!
Yes the chassis was bad, cleaned it off and painted it all up twice,then poked a bit too hard and went through on top of the outrigger at the nearside front corner , this was in April, so went to le mans and took a view on the next step. I guess I should of passed it on either "cover it up" or come clean and get 50p for it! Had lots of advice to take the first option.
I would have wanted something else poss a cerbie but no roof off, and strongly advised against this route by folk that fixed them day in day out! So another chim or a griff...probably have the same problem again and wouldn't be as nice imho, plus I love the engine.

Was good to see it in "sprint" 2 good runs out to Snetterton and the Yellow meet, I am toying with putting something together for an article if they are interested, so watch this space!

I did the chassis in boring silver, it's had 5 to 6 coats: Hot Zinc Spray/grey primer/Silver POR15 x 2 coats/1 Brushed Silver hammerite/ then flated back and Sprayed with Silver Hammerite in areas like engine bay/wishbones. I will inject waxoil into the chassis through the fixing points, and paint it onto the top of the outriggers before the body gets dropped back on.

In the process of building back up now, all wishbones/steering rack/tie rods/hub assembly are in light blue enamel, odd things like the chassis cross member/front anti roll bar brackets/alternator are being chromed. I have replaced all the suspension bolts with high tensile/stainless. replaced ball joints/ track rod ends/wheel bearings seals and covers/antiroll bar rubbers (these are MK2 escort deisel!).

I need to do something with the diff, not sure of a reliable place to take it yet, but apart from the odd unfortunate drama all going to plan.

Oh I think we have sussed the fuel tank pressure problem the wires to the "Lucas Switch" by the carbon can had been cut off, suggests that this had packed up before you got hold of the car. Should be able to find the part and get it working properly....but still some way down the line yet.

Anyway good to hear from you keep in touch!

Steve

adrian@

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284 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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I will inject waxoil into the chassis through the fixing points.

Hi Steve,
The thought of this at first sounds like a good idea BUT then if ever god forbid you damage the car and any of these tubes need repairing the waxoyl is a white spirit based liquid and it is then impossible to weld to the tubes, it would be better to ensure that the threads on all the bolts on open tubes are thread sealed as it is oxygen that feeds the rust and sealing them will stop this.

schimg

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255 months

Saturday 26th November 2005
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adrian@ said:


I will inject waxoil into the chassis through the fixing points.

Hi Steve,
The thought of this at first sounds like a good idea BUT then if ever god forbid you damage the car and any of these tubes need repairing the waxoyl is a white spirit based liquid and it is then impossible to weld to the tubes, it would be better to ensure that the threads on all the bolts on open tubes are thread sealed as it is oxygen that feeds the rust and sealing them will stop this.


Adrian,

Yes point taken, it's not too late as I haven't got round to this yet so will take your advice,although I was thinking more in the area of the "ladder frame" part of the chassis as opposed to the outrigger areas.

What would you use to seal up the fixing holes then, bolts coated in copperslip, or where you thinking dip them in waxoil, wrap them in ptfe?

Steve

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

279 months

Saturday 26th November 2005
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schimg said:
adrian@ said:


I will inject waxoil into the chassis through the fixing points.

Hi Steve,
The thought of this at first sounds like a good idea BUT then if ever god forbid you damage the car and any of these tubes need repairing the waxoyl is a white spirit based liquid and it is then impossible to weld to the tubes, it would be better to ensure that the threads on all the bolts on open tubes are thread sealed as it is oxygen that feeds the rust and sealing them will stop this.


Adrian,

Yes point taken, it's not too late as I haven't got round to this yet so will take your advice,although I was thinking more in the area of the "ladder frame" part of the chassis as opposed to the outrigger areas.

What would you use to seal up the fixing holes then, bolts coated in copperslip, or where you thinking dip them in waxoil, wrap them in ptfe?

Steve
Thread lock is the stuff - Loctite or similar.