help,which disc's???
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Chaps
After getting the chim up on stands to check over the brake this afternoon, ( brakes started scraping on friday) and reading the chim/griff bible for advice, I have found myself totally confused.
It looks like I have lost all pad material on the inner front pads, which will explain the scraping, and has knackered the disc's.
So to the main problem, on examining the rears I have found that I have SOLID disc's on the back !! in the chim bible it says that all chim's and griffs have ventilated disc's all round ?? is this correct and has someone pulled a fast one on the rears.
Please help, which disc's should I have and more importantly which should I replace them with ? There seems to have been many different sizes fitted over the years, but looks like the same calipers, if so can I just go for the recommended later size ???
I'm not looking for uprated e.g. drilled/grooved etc just standard disc's but the best size for the car front and rear.
The car is a 1994 4.0HC CHIM
Many Thanks
After getting the chim up on stands to check over the brake this afternoon, ( brakes started scraping on friday) and reading the chim/griff bible for advice, I have found myself totally confused.
It looks like I have lost all pad material on the inner front pads, which will explain the scraping, and has knackered the disc's.
So to the main problem, on examining the rears I have found that I have SOLID disc's on the back !! in the chim bible it says that all chim's and griffs have ventilated disc's all round ?? is this correct and has someone pulled a fast one on the rears.
Please help, which disc's should I have and more importantly which should I replace them with ? There seems to have been many different sizes fitted over the years, but looks like the same calipers, if so can I just go for the recommended later size ???
I'm not looking for uprated e.g. drilled/grooved etc just standard disc's but the best size for the car front and rear.
The car is a 1994 4.0HC CHIM
Many Thanks
I had a similar panic trying to find the rear pads for my 1992 Griffith, but after some head scratching (the bible does only discuss vented discs all round) I discovered that the solid discs on the rear were sourced from the late model 2ltr+ versions of the Sierra/Granada (actually the chap in the shop looked up the old pads in the Ferodo book and it said TVR against them)
Therefore any upgrade suitable for these Fords should be a straight swap?
My front vented system seems to be the same as most other Griffiths/Chimaeras.
>> Edited by veegee on Sunday 28th July 17:22
Therefore any upgrade suitable for these Fords should be a straight swap?
My front vented system seems to be the same as most other Griffiths/Chimaeras.
>> Edited by veegee on Sunday 28th July 17:22
quote:
Hi,
If you don't mind - I'm in the same sort of situation as 'Monaco'. I have a '95 4.0HC, but I need front discs/pads for mine.
Thanks in advance!
Jeboa, I just bought some new discs and pads for my 95 4.0HC... The front discs on mine were the same as a Mk1 Escort RS Turbo - I managed to find a set of red dot grooved discs in Halfords reduced from £90 to £30! I then got a set of Mintex brake pads for £40 from a Ford specialist.
Chaps
Thanks for your replys, looks like my front disc's are 240mm. Does anyone have a part number for these.
Also were the calipers the same on all models ?? if so what would be the ref. If I ordered some EBC greenstuff pads ?
Sorry to be a pain, It looks like I'm finally getting somewhere.
Thanks for your replys, looks like my front disc's are 240mm. Does anyone have a part number for these.
Also were the calipers the same on all models ?? if so what would be the ref. If I ordered some EBC greenstuff pads ?
Sorry to be a pain, It looks like I'm finally getting somewhere.
Please please check before you spend your hard earned cash that the replacement discs are the same as the ones that are fitted to your car. TVR have had a habit (and some owners as well) of changing the bits. I have heard/been told of six different donor cars for discs and pads. The pad shape can be common but have different cut outs in the pad material that reduce the pad area on the disc.
Steve
Steve
when I changed mine I out EBC grooved discs on. Noel flannery at V8sports sourced them for me and I had them fitted locally. they have worked well and used fewer pads than before. he's on 07980 652 447
As other posters have said, there are many different donot vehicles so watch the sizes!
R
As other posters have said, there are many different donot vehicles so watch the sizes!
R
I have to change my brakes, discs and pads all round!!! as they are just about shot it!!, fronts are not a problem but the rears I think are supposed to be solid discs, as said on here, but mine are vented??, has anyone else got vented rears and if so does anyone know the part number?, many thanks
Richard
Richard
I've looked into what discs are available for the chimaera 4.0,4.3,4.5 and 5.0 models and there are only 4 types available for all the models 2 for the front and 2 for the back and they are all from ford cars,
This Information is from the EBC Disc and Pad Handbook
upto 1998.
Car Model Year Disc type Front Disc type Rear
4.0 Chim Early DO86 Vented D280 Solid
4.0 Chim Later D216 Vented D558 Vented
4.3 Chim 93-94 D086 Vented D280 Solid
4.3 Chim Later D216 Vented D558 vented
4.5 Chim 97-98 D216 Vented D558 Vented
5.0 Chim 94 on D216 Vented D558 Vented
The 240MM Diameter front disc is a D086
while the other is D216 a bigger disc.
EBC Greenstuff Pads are listed as follows
Front D086 - EBCG2415
Front D216 - EBCG2002
Rear For all cars whether Vented or solid - EBCG2617
If you want to cross reference the discs with other manufacturers such as Tarox,Red dot,Etc here are the original part numbers for the above discs.
Disc Original part number Disc type.
D086 - 5022659 Vented
D280 - 1637969 Solid
D216 - 6169974 Vented
D558 - 5024175 Vented
I hope this helps,maybe it could be included into the Bible for future reference.
www.MOTORSPORTWOLRD.CO.UK are selling EBC pads with 15% off at the moment E.g Greenstuff EBCG2415 for £25 + Packaging.
This Information is from the EBC Disc and Pad Handbook
upto 1998.
Car Model Year Disc type Front Disc type Rear
4.0 Chim Early DO86 Vented D280 Solid
4.0 Chim Later D216 Vented D558 Vented
4.3 Chim 93-94 D086 Vented D280 Solid
4.3 Chim Later D216 Vented D558 vented
4.5 Chim 97-98 D216 Vented D558 Vented
5.0 Chim 94 on D216 Vented D558 Vented
The 240MM Diameter front disc is a D086
while the other is D216 a bigger disc.
EBC Greenstuff Pads are listed as follows
Front D086 - EBCG2415
Front D216 - EBCG2002
Rear For all cars whether Vented or solid - EBCG2617
If you want to cross reference the discs with other manufacturers such as Tarox,Red dot,Etc here are the original part numbers for the above discs.
Disc Original part number Disc type.
D086 - 5022659 Vented
D280 - 1637969 Solid
D216 - 6169974 Vented
D558 - 5024175 Vented
I hope this helps,maybe it could be included into the Bible for future reference.
www.MOTORSPORTWOLRD.CO.UK are selling EBC pads with 15% off at the moment E.g Greenstuff EBCG2415 for £25 + Packaging.
Spent some time researching this over the weekend. Tower View gave me a box of bits from Griffi and Chimaera and I have been measuring. Conclusion is there are no conclusions.
As for the listing, I would but a lot of it is not right and there is so much varience that it gets a bit silly. BTW the last time I talked to EBC in the summer, EBC stated that they no longer spec TVR in their current catalogue and now say call factory. The reason is the variance and the cost of returning stuff that didn't fit. They will ask for disc diameter, width and offset and a brake pad outline/photo. That tells you something for a start.
There have been at least 5 different front disc sizes quotyed as used by TVR and 5 for the rear so I think EBC have quoted for two which makes me a bit suspicious. The sizes are in the bible.
The EBC 2002 is for a Cerbera not a Chimaera or Griffith and is a standard for an AP Racing calliper. It will not fit and has the wrong pad shape. I used to use them on the 520 before switching to Ferodo cos the EBCs died.
The ENC 2617 is correct for the rears. Fronts should be 2473 for the 260 mm brakes. and 2389 or 2415 for the 240 mm. Some manufacturers claim that they are interchangeable. There are big differences. which means they are not. If they are used then there is a big risk that they might stick in the calliper.
Discs are a bane of my life at the moment as there are many 240/260 Ford discs, with slightly different offsets including Granada 5 hole one that TVR redrilled.. As there is only 2 mm clearance between the calliper and disc, this offset is critical and guess what, seeing 2-3 mm differences depending on which upright and calliper is being used...
With the later cars they seem to have standardised a bit more but if you have an early one, a random selection process seems to have been used.
Also I have been cross checking some of the references and these don't even stack up. An EBC number for a particular model turns up a different cross reference for another manufacturer and so on. Then looking at the pad profiles these have varied as well. To be blunt, it is a nightmare.
I'll say it again and probably have this on my tomb stone... check and double check.
Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk
As for the listing, I would but a lot of it is not right and there is so much varience that it gets a bit silly. BTW the last time I talked to EBC in the summer, EBC stated that they no longer spec TVR in their current catalogue and now say call factory. The reason is the variance and the cost of returning stuff that didn't fit. They will ask for disc diameter, width and offset and a brake pad outline/photo. That tells you something for a start.
There have been at least 5 different front disc sizes quotyed as used by TVR and 5 for the rear so I think EBC have quoted for two which makes me a bit suspicious. The sizes are in the bible.
The EBC 2002 is for a Cerbera not a Chimaera or Griffith and is a standard for an AP Racing calliper. It will not fit and has the wrong pad shape. I used to use them on the 520 before switching to Ferodo cos the EBCs died.
The ENC 2617 is correct for the rears. Fronts should be 2473 for the 260 mm brakes. and 2389 or 2415 for the 240 mm. Some manufacturers claim that they are interchangeable. There are big differences. which means they are not. If they are used then there is a big risk that they might stick in the calliper.
Discs are a bane of my life at the moment as there are many 240/260 Ford discs, with slightly different offsets including Granada 5 hole one that TVR redrilled.. As there is only 2 mm clearance between the calliper and disc, this offset is critical and guess what, seeing 2-3 mm differences depending on which upright and calliper is being used...
With the later cars they seem to have standardised a bit more but if you have an early one, a random selection process seems to have been used.
Also I have been cross checking some of the references and these don't even stack up. An EBC number for a particular model turns up a different cross reference for another manufacturer and so on. Then looking at the pad profiles these have varied as well. To be blunt, it is a nightmare.
I'll say it again and probably have this on my tomb stone... check and double check.
Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk
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