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romft123 said:
Thought about buying a rag top a while ago but the brave pill was too big! Had around £8k burning a hole and thought......should I or not. it was just a summer fun car and thats it. Upped the price and bought a SLK350 for £14k instead.
I think with an £8k budget you clearly did the right thing fellareddiesel said:
romft123 said:
Thought about buying a rag top a while ago but the brave pill was too big! Had around £8k burning a hole and thought......should I or not. it was just a summer fun car and thats it. Upped the price and bought a SLK350 for £14k instead.
I think with an £8k budget you clearly did the right thing fellaThe big bargains are higher mileage well maintained cars, and there are plenty about. The old JEC type farts won't touch anything over 80k because they had a Morris 8 once that couldn't make it that far, and once you weed out the neglected dogs (which are usually very obvious) you can do very well.
The 4.2 in particular (and despite internet folklore the 5.0 isn't far behind) is a robust, fairly straightforward car that takes miles exceedingly well. There seems to be a perverse desire online to make out it's like buying some 70s Maserati where specialist servicing every 500 yards is a must and it'll cost you £10k if someone missed an oil change in 2009 but that's utter crap.
I've covered 4,100 miles in the last 6 months in a £9k XKR 5.0 convertible that I bought with 132k on the clock. Superb history to 2021 / 110k miles, Jaguar extended warranty to 100k, then a bit patchy and obviously owned by a dreamer who couldn't afford to maintain it properly so I probably saved it from becoming one of the dogs. I got it trade but realistically if I were to sell it I'd ask no more than £13k.
Cost so far: £400 in cooling system bits and a day on the tools, £1,700 for a new roof from BAS International because I wasn't happy with my DIY window repair and it was looking tired, £1,400 in super unleaded.
Last week I drove a 32k 2014 car that'll be up for £35k soon expecting to go green with envy and have to buy it. My car feels and drives better....
They're not high end exotic fantasy material anymore, they're cheap smoker Jaguars. Ignore the internet attempts at gatekeeping, buy one and enjoy it. A Focus can throw up bills every bit as bad as an X150.
The 4.2 in particular (and despite internet folklore the 5.0 isn't far behind) is a robust, fairly straightforward car that takes miles exceedingly well. There seems to be a perverse desire online to make out it's like buying some 70s Maserati where specialist servicing every 500 yards is a must and it'll cost you £10k if someone missed an oil change in 2009 but that's utter crap.
I've covered 4,100 miles in the last 6 months in a £9k XKR 5.0 convertible that I bought with 132k on the clock. Superb history to 2021 / 110k miles, Jaguar extended warranty to 100k, then a bit patchy and obviously owned by a dreamer who couldn't afford to maintain it properly so I probably saved it from becoming one of the dogs. I got it trade but realistically if I were to sell it I'd ask no more than £13k.
Cost so far: £400 in cooling system bits and a day on the tools, £1,700 for a new roof from BAS International because I wasn't happy with my DIY window repair and it was looking tired, £1,400 in super unleaded.
Last week I drove a 32k 2014 car that'll be up for £35k soon expecting to go green with envy and have to buy it. My car feels and drives better....
They're not high end exotic fantasy material anymore, they're cheap smoker Jaguars. Ignore the internet attempts at gatekeeping, buy one and enjoy it. A Focus can throw up bills every bit as bad as an X150.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 27th February 16:55
reddiesel said:
Its the arse end of the Marketplace and although you may edge a Summer out of it , if its an X150 you couldn't bet on the long term . Running costs doesn't decline with monetary values as I am sure you know
Absolute tosh, and I say that as both a ex main agent Jaguar technician who drove them from transport trucks still with protective PDI film on them to an enthusiast that has happened to own and fettle plenty of Jaguars including X150s as depreciation has worked its magic in the used setting. The amount of parts, knowledge and resources is about a 1000 times what we had in the dealer when they were new making running one by great many magnitudes cheaper than the new price would suggest.Aside from that fact, they aren't particularly complex or complicated cars to work on or unreliable to run particularly in 4.2 form. Its a proven reliable engine with a proven reliable gearbox with a proven reliable chassis, absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone but the most unlucky would only "edge a summer out" of a 8K X150.
TheWokeBlob said:
absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone but the most unlucky would only "edge a summer out" of a 8K X150.
^^^ThisIf you can buy a used Fiesta and spot a bad one you can buy a used X150. Parts availability is great and very reasonable, loads of helpful support (particularly from US owners), and easy to work on. Any decent garage can do absolutely any work than an X150 will ever need, they're just not that complex and specialist.
The "if you can't afford it new you can't afford to run it used" is utter clueless horses
t at best, and small minded spiteful gatekeeping at worst. Oh so because I can't afford / don't wish to suffer £60,000 of depreciation in 3 years I can't afford the unlikely risk of £2k for a timing chain job, or £200 for OE Brake pads once every three years. Right.Maybe if you're a bit soft in the head and let your "specialist" lift your leg every time it needs screenwash, but for the non clueless it's never been true. Ignore the "considerably richer than yawww" routine and get yourself an XKR convertible for the summer
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 27th February 17:18
TheWokeBlob said:
Absolute tosh, and I say that as both a ex main agent Jaguar technician who drove them from transport trucks still with protective PDI film on them to an enthusiast that has happened to own and fettle plenty of Jaguars including X150s as depreciation has worked its magic in the used setting. The amount of parts, knowledge and resources is about a 1000 times what we had in the dealer when they were new making running one by great many magnitudes cheaper than the new price would suggest.
Aside from that fact, they aren't particularly complex or complicated cars to work on or unreliable to run particularly in 4.2 form. Its a proven reliable engine with a proven reliable gearbox with a proven reliable chassis, absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone but the most unlucky would only "edge a summer out" of a 8K X150.
I never said they were complex and having owned them I know how reliable the engine is even in 5.0 litre form . What does the availability of Resources and Parts Knowledge have to do with anything ? Neither come free to the Owner of an £8k or indeed any Jaguar . Aside from that fact, they aren't particularly complex or complicated cars to work on or unreliable to run particularly in 4.2 form. Its a proven reliable engine with a proven reliable gearbox with a proven reliable chassis, absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone but the most unlucky would only "edge a summer out" of a 8K X150.
As regards the chassis being reliable , given its aluminium monocoque single shell structure its also extremely difficult to repair when damaged which is something I have first hand experience of .
Getting back to the £8k budget I stand by my comments . Only a fool would think he would lay out £8k on a tired X150 and would then experience expense free motoring . Even a Jaguar Main Agent Technician should be able to get his head around that one .
:Edited by reddiesel on Tuesday 27th February 20:51
GeniusOfLove said:
The big bargains are higher mileage well maintained cars, and there are plenty about. The old JEC type farts won't touch anything over 80k because they had a Morris 8 once that couldn't make it that far, and once you weed out the neglected dogs (which are usually very obvious) you can do very well.
The 4.2 in particular (and despite internet folklore the 5.0 isn't far behind) is a robust, fairly straightforward car that takes miles exceedingly well. There seems to be a perverse desire online to make out it's like buying some 70s Maserati where specialist servicing every 500 yards is a must and it'll cost you £10k if someone missed an oil change in 2009 but that's utter crap.
I've covered 4,100 miles in the last 6 months in a £9k XKR 5.0 convertible that I bought with 132k on the clock. Superb history to 2021 / 110k miles, Jaguar extended warranty to 100k, then a bit patchy and obviously owned by a dreamer who couldn't afford to maintain it properly so I probably saved it from becoming one of the dogs. I got it trade but realistically if I were to sell it I'd ask no more than £13k.
Cost so far: £400 in cooling system bits and a day on the tools, £1,700 for a new roof from BAS International because I wasn't happy with my DIY window repair and it was looking tired, £1,400 in super unleaded.
Last week I drove a 32k 2014 car that'll be up for £35k soon expecting to go green with envy and have to buy it. My car feels and drives better....
They're not high end exotic fantasy material anymore, they're cheap smoker Jaguars. Ignore the internet attempts at gatekeeping, buy one and enjoy it. A Focus can throw up bills every bit as bad as an X150.
I make that £3k on top of your original £9k outlay with you doing the Labour which pretty much reinforces my point . You may buy it at £8k but it won't be maintained at that outlay for long and we both know that . They may not be high end exotic fantasy material , nothing is to a Dealer like yourself . To put the original tyre on will be £200 a Corner which is a long way from your Focus comparison .The 4.2 in particular (and despite internet folklore the 5.0 isn't far behind) is a robust, fairly straightforward car that takes miles exceedingly well. There seems to be a perverse desire online to make out it's like buying some 70s Maserati where specialist servicing every 500 yards is a must and it'll cost you £10k if someone missed an oil change in 2009 but that's utter crap.
I've covered 4,100 miles in the last 6 months in a £9k XKR 5.0 convertible that I bought with 132k on the clock. Superb history to 2021 / 110k miles, Jaguar extended warranty to 100k, then a bit patchy and obviously owned by a dreamer who couldn't afford to maintain it properly so I probably saved it from becoming one of the dogs. I got it trade but realistically if I were to sell it I'd ask no more than £13k.
Cost so far: £400 in cooling system bits and a day on the tools, £1,700 for a new roof from BAS International because I wasn't happy with my DIY window repair and it was looking tired, £1,400 in super unleaded.
Last week I drove a 32k 2014 car that'll be up for £35k soon expecting to go green with envy and have to buy it. My car feels and drives better....
They're not high end exotic fantasy material anymore, they're cheap smoker Jaguars. Ignore the internet attempts at gatekeeping, buy one and enjoy it. A Focus can throw up bills every bit as bad as an X150.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 27th February 16:55
romft123 said:
Thought about buying a rag top a while ago but the brave pill was too big! Had around £8k burning a hole and thought......should I or not. it was just a summer fun car and thats it. Upped the price and bought a SLK350 for £14k instead.
Why not consider XKs about £14k then? That would have got you a good selection of 4.2 XKs and XKRs or plenty of tidy 5.0 XKs.Can’t add much re that end of the market. However had been looking to replace my pre-cat Griff since last Spring with a 5ltr supercharged convertible.
Way more power than needed and frankly the non supercharged would be fine. But I’d never sleep knowing it was out there and I’d not gone there!
So was looking for a facelift with performance seats, ivory and a red/blue paint. I had little choice until a Dynamic R came up with mid 40k miles at a JLR main dealer over Xmas. Cheapest Dynamic for sale at v low £30k price and effectively bought it over the phone. (I’m in Somerset and car in Ipswich).
Dealer great, loads of videos, service, 1yr warrantee on a 10 yo car as they would give on a nearly new. So they must have some confidence in their longevity and robustness.
Haven’t done many miles yet as a boat would have been more appropriate in the SW since New Year. But I am pleasantly surprised how well it drives for its age and mileage. No squeaks, clunks etc. interior is like new so seems to wear well. And already spoken to a couple of independents near me, who all say they are pretty bomb proof. (Unlike the experience of my Aston and 997 owning friends).
Of course there can be some horrors but all the independents though that the XKR, especially the later 5ltr ones are a pretty good bet with no serious common recurring faults.
Just need some sun, hopefully this Sunday for the Haynes breakfast meet.
Way more power than needed and frankly the non supercharged would be fine. But I’d never sleep knowing it was out there and I’d not gone there!
So was looking for a facelift with performance seats, ivory and a red/blue paint. I had little choice until a Dynamic R came up with mid 40k miles at a JLR main dealer over Xmas. Cheapest Dynamic for sale at v low £30k price and effectively bought it over the phone. (I’m in Somerset and car in Ipswich).
Dealer great, loads of videos, service, 1yr warrantee on a 10 yo car as they would give on a nearly new. So they must have some confidence in their longevity and robustness.
Haven’t done many miles yet as a boat would have been more appropriate in the SW since New Year. But I am pleasantly surprised how well it drives for its age and mileage. No squeaks, clunks etc. interior is like new so seems to wear well. And already spoken to a couple of independents near me, who all say they are pretty bomb proof. (Unlike the experience of my Aston and 997 owning friends).
Of course there can be some horrors but all the independents though that the XKR, especially the later 5ltr ones are a pretty good bet with no serious common recurring faults.
Just need some sun, hopefully this Sunday for the Haynes breakfast meet.
GeniusOfLove said:
I gather quite a few people come from TVRs into XKRs and F-Types because they're quite lively compared to the alternatives.
My XKR convertible puts me in mind of an MX5 that hit the steroids and started spending all day in the gym, it's a ridiculous, hilarious, wonderful car.
Funny you should make the comparison with the MX5 - my wife had one of those until shortly before I bought my first XKR, something about how the Jag drove reminded me of the Mazda.My XKR convertible puts me in mind of an MX5 that hit the steroids and started spending all day in the gym, it's a ridiculous, hilarious, wonderful car.
drmotorsport said:
It looks like I might be looking for a late model 5.0 XKR shortly, assuming the engine is the same as the Range Rover Sport, is the timing chain/tensioners the same problem to budget for on these?
Later XK/XKRs should have the updated tensioners and chains so you shouldn't have to worry. Find a good one, maintain it correctly and enjoy without undue concern.8bit said:
Later XK/XKRs should have the updated tensioners and chains so you shouldn't have to worry. Find a good one, maintain it correctly and enjoy without undue concern.
Exactly this . As soon as I hear the words tensioners and chains I think someones been on the Internet again . Aston Martin Owners would kill for engines as durable and reliable as Jaguar units of the same period . I ran into a young Construction Director last week contemplating his first Aston Martin . My first question was what do you want to use it for . Unless its a weekend curio make sure its a Mercedes Powerplant , 98% of the experience and none of the worry of the Aston powerplants and associated prices . 8bit said:
Later XK/XKRs should have the updated tensioners and chains so you shouldn't have to worry. Find a good one, maintain it correctly and enjoy without undue concern.
Many thanks 
I'm aware of JLR's continual update way of product development, always buy the newest you can afford and i'm trying for a 2014 end of line specimen 8bit said:
drmotorsport said:
It looks like I might be looking for a late model 5.0 XKR shortly, assuming the engine is the same as the Range Rover Sport, is the timing chain/tensioners the same problem to budget for on these?
Later XK/XKRs should have the updated tensioners and chains so you shouldn't have to worry. Find a good one, maintain it correctly and enjoy without undue concern.I have 3 of these engines in the household, all over 100k miles. The original water pumps tended to not last so there's a good chance they'll need an upgraded water pump at some point, about £500 job. The S/C coupler can wear and start to make a knocking noise, you can now buy the coupler on its own for about £60 and again pay about £500 all in the get a new one fitted.
The timing chain "wear" thing I've read about on line seems to be one of those online stories with a few noisy , unlucky complainers, and mainly seem to relate to the XF models rather than the 2 XKR and 1 Range Rover models I have, all 2010 models. I just make sure I change the oil regularly for the correct spec. which has been painful to ascertain at times over the years. Even that job is designed to be simple with the 5.0, suck the oil out of the tube in the filler cap, and swap the filter out from the top of the engine, about 20 minutes all in.
But then wow, what an engine!
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