XK versus 911

[steelej]

Kinja, here in the UK we would typically try a few different dealers before buying our cars, just because I have a dealer 10 mins away from where I live doesn't automatically mean I'll use them, so if I need to travel an hour to get the best service then so be it, I suggested trying another dealer on your thread over at roadfly I think this is your only option at this point, you're getting nowhere with your current dealer.

John.

[triple7]

Kinja it is a shame. As steelj says, I bought both my XKR's not from my dealer 5 mins from my house, but from one about 35mins away. Why, well they were so much better, however their service department were crooks and I went there once, never to return. So vote with your feet, drive over to the other dealership and get a second opinion on the engine?

G

[kinjachris]

Quick Update.... The G.M. of the dealer politely apologized for the grease and damage to the interior. The service manager then called 2 mins later (having just been scolded by the boss because he "forgot" to clean the car before returning it) The car was picked up via flatbed yesterday, detailed and returned back later that day.

[jimbeaux]

Los Angeles said:

It's your scatter gun approach to criticising the car that is bemusing, and the alleged indifference of your dealership. Why you should buy a Jaguar then see it as a woman's car makes no sense. I am as close to the owners of all the West coast dealers as anyone can be and I know they'd fire any deadhead saleman that stymied a customer, and haul up any service staff for the kind of arrogance you relate. And I doubt post video will seal your case - I'd need to see you holding your Cal license - pic on it - before I accept your comments as genuine. In any event, why condemn an entire marque for a single car's faults? The retribution you seek is out of all proportion to the problem.

And when you meet someone who condems Jaguar reliability - as you assert you have - he's talking 1980s, not 21st century - disabuse them of their misapprehension!

LA

Edited by Los Angeles on Friday 9th March 18:06

I am 100% behind you on this LA!....someone call the press!

[sjn2004]

kinjachris said:

Quick Update.... The G.M. of the dealer politely apologized for the grease and damage to the interior. The service manager then called 2 mins later (having just been scolded by the boss because he "forgot" to clean the car before returning it) The car was picked up via flatbed yesterday, detailed and returned back later that day.

So have they got rid of all the dirty/greasy marks ? Looks/sounds like there is a communications breakdown with this current dealer, as everybody else says, go find another dealer.

Some of your other comments in the thread are pretty way off, like the satnav, I guess you've never played with iDrive(but see you have started a 6 series vs XK thread in BMW section)! MB SL's leak water and have a host of problems, a faulty seatbelt sensor and "noise" going uphill are all you have to worry about. Have you considered the noise going uphill is a loose baffle in the exhaust thats moving?

[lowdrag]

I would have thought that the issue of buying a Jaguar or a Porsche would have been a no brainer from the start really. I love my Jaguars as long as they are at least 40 years old but bought an X300 once. Once - that was enough. In the first year it spent over 6 weeks in the dealership, was a complete nightmare and was sold at an enormous loss to purchase something to calm me down - a Honda which I in the end kept five years without one problem. As long as the Porsche is the right model (not a Boxster) it will give a lifetime's pleasure without much in the way of problems, but a Jaguar is still, sadly, built down to a price, not up to a standard.

Just for the record, not all XK's are driven by wome on the way to the golf club.................

[The Grim Leaper]

Well I won't be buying VX54 FVL then.

Edited by The Grim Leaper on Monday 2nd April 18:59

Edited by The Grim Leaper on Thursday 12th April 12:07

[shar2]

Sounds like you got a real duff dealership there. As Triple7 and Steelej has stated try another dealership. I've been quite fortunate in that my nearest dealership has been superb when servicing and fixing my XK8 even though it's been modded up to the hilt. They are one of the few dealerships that have actually told me that they wouldn't do some work on the car, unless I really wanted it done, as it didn't really need it, even then they valeted her ready for me to pick up.

BTW surely you can't really compare an XKR to a 997 as the Jaguar is a GT not a sports car. I have driven the new XKR and thought it was fabulous, so much better to drive than the previous model, shame it just doesn't have the looks of the old one, although it is growing on me.

[The Grim Leaper]

Driving the old model is a bit like driving a super duper E-type. The new one is like driving an Aston to be honest. And I think that either of them given a good seeing to by some switched on people could probably hammer a 911. For some reason Jag doesn't seem to want to appeal to the sports driver market.

[a8hex]

The Grim Leaper said:

Driving the old model is a bit like driving a super duper E-type. The new one is like driving an Aston to be honest. And I think that either of them given a good seeing to by some switched on people could probably hammer a 911. For some reason Jag doesn't seem to want to appeal to the sports driver market.

Perhaps Jaguar feel that there is a larger market for Jaguars that feel like Jaguars than ones that feel like Porches. I hope they do bring out an out and out sports model, but given the lack of resources I'd expect it to take time. Look at how long it takes BMW to bring out an M model after the cooking models come out.

[Jimbeaux]

a8hex said:

The Grim Leaper said:

Driving the old model is a bit like driving a super duper E-type. The new one is like driving an Aston to be honest. And I think that either of them given a good seeing to by some switched on people could probably hammer a 911. For some reason Jag doesn't seem to want to appeal to the sports driver market.

Perhaps Jaguar feel that there is a larger market for Jaguars that feel like Jaguars than ones that feel like Porches. I hope they do bring out an out and out sports model, but given the lack of resources I'd expect it to take time. Look at how long it takes BMW to bring out an M model after the cooking models come out.

Do you feel that Ford not having to hold Jag back from competing with Aston may allow Jag to open up, so to speak?

[a8hex]

Jimbeaux said:

a8hex said:

The Grim Leaper said:

Driving the old model is a bit like driving a super duper E-type. The new one is like driving an Aston to be honest. And I think that either of them given a good seeing to by some switched on people could probably hammer a 911. For some reason Jag doesn't seem to want to appeal to the sports driver market.

Perhaps Jaguar feel that there is a larger market for Jaguars that feel like Jaguars than ones that feel like Porches. I hope they do bring out an out and out sports model, but given the lack of resources I'd expect it to take time. Look at how long it takes BMW to bring out an M model after the cooking models come out.

Do you feel that Ford not having to hold Jag back from competing with Aston may allow Jag to open up, so to speak?

Yes, I'm sure Aston was a glass ceiling for Jaguar.
Jaguar did GTs, Aston did more sporty things. Funny view of history but there you go.

Now that Aston are out of the picture (unless there is something in the Aston deal we don't know about) then I'm sure Jaguar will be allowed to complete more. However, they have very limited engineering resources. They can't do everything all at once.

Talking of history I've just been taken around Goodwood in a real D-Type

[Jimbeaux]

a8hex said:

Jimbeaux said:

a8hex said:

The Grim Leaper said:

Driving the old model is a bit like driving a super duper E-type. The new one is like driving an Aston to be honest. And I think that either of them given a good seeing to by some switched on people could probably hammer a 911. For some reason Jag doesn't seem to want to appeal to the sports driver market.

Perhaps Jaguar feel that there is a larger market for Jaguars that feel like Jaguars than ones that feel like Porches. I hope they do bring out an out and out sports model, but given the lack of resources I'd expect it to take time. Look at how long it takes BMW to bring out an M model after the cooking models come out.

Do you feel that Ford not having to hold Jag back from competing with Aston may allow Jag to open up, so to speak?

Yes, I'm sure Aston was a glass ceiling for Jaguar.
Jaguar did GTs, Aston did more sporty things. Funny view of history but there you go.

Now that Aston are out of the picture (unless there is something in the Aston deal we don't know about) then I'm sure Jaguar will be allowed to complete more. However, they have very limited engineering resources. They can't do everything all at once.

Talking of history I've just been taken around Goodwood in a real D-Type

Lucky you! In a way, so have I....My street is named "Goodwood, Blvd." On the limited engineering resources; Ford, believe it or not, has vast and very good engineering capabilities. Since it is their goal to promote Jaguar, perhaps, they will allow their engineers to work up to price and support the Jag folks in their endeavors.

[The Grim Leaper]

Its a fair comment that if you want a Porsche you buy a Porsche, but if you prefer a Jag? I think that there would certainly be a market for a more hardcore XKR. I would have thought however that most people would want their 'standard' XKR just a little bit noisier, a little bit firmer - though the suspension is without a doubt fantastic - and with more of a bespoke sporting feel to the interior. Thats what you get from Aston Martin, Maserati, I mean even most Porsches are owned by lawyers or stockbrokers. Is that not what you expect from a GT car?