Will Jaguar survive?
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AlexC1981 said:
Jimbeaux said:
Podie said:
The Jap products are far superior to anything offered by the big three in terms of quality
I'm sorry but I thought I just heard a Brit trying to be an authority on quality
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Happy Monday! Most Brits will slate any French or American car and will laugh out loud at the prospect of buying a British one (not that you can anymore). People who do are either eccentric or over 60. Anyone that buys a German car is admired for buying a quality car. To purchase a Japanese car means you have gone for the reliable and sensible option.
We are a dispicable self loathing people.
If only my wifes Merc was as reliable as my Jag.
Isn't marketing wonderful, people believe Volvos are safe, coz thats what the adverts say, that German cars are reliable and all Italian cars are stylish (OK many are).
Jimbeaux said:
Podie said:
Jimbeaux said:
Podie said:
The Jap products are far superior to anything offered by the big three in terms of quality
I'm sorry but I thought I just heard a Brit trying to be an authority on quality
...... Happy Monday! 1) The panel gaps of an F150 are shocking... and you could loose people down the gaps on the dashboard...
2) Assumptions are the mother of all f
k ups... 
Dashboards? Have you been in a 2004 or newer F-150? A Lariat (top) range model? I would wager not, as there aren't many in the UK:
www.edmunds.com/new/2007/ford/f150/100769845/photos.html#
Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 16th April 15:52
Hope you're not a betting man...
Yep, I've seen more Ford's than I care to remember, including the latest stuff off the line. Granted, the more recent trucks are better quality than they once were, however they are still not up to the standard of their European counterparts.
EDIT - interest thread tangent BTW..
Edited by Podie on Wednesday 18th April 11:47
Podie said:
Jimbeaux said:
Podie said:
the more recent trucks are better quality than they once were, however they are still not up to the standard of their European counterparts.
What European counterparts???
It was a generalisation of US built vehicles compared to European ones.
I see. If you follow J.D.Power & Associates reports, as many here do, you will find they disagree. In 2006, they reported (for the first time) that initial and post quality tests showed that American vehicles (GM specifically) had better quality than ALL European automakers. The Japs maintained the lead. However, in early 2007, JDP & Assoc. reported that the Ford Fusion (US version) surpassed the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord in quality for the first time. Your opinion may be different, I am just offering J. D. Power's.
Jimbeaux said:
I see. If you follow J.D.Power & Associates reports, as many here do, you will find they disagree. In 2006, they reported (for the first time) that initial and post quality tests showed that American vehicles (GM specifically) had better quality than ALL European automakers. The Japs maintained the lead. However, in early 2007, JDP & Assoc. reported that the Ford Fusion (US version) surpassed the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord in quality for the first time. Your opinion may be different, I am just offering J. D. Power's.
I've read the JD Power reports, but even by your comment it is noted that things have only changed recently.
What I don't know about the report is whether (for example) European Ford's and Vauxhall's come under US jurisdiction, or European..?
I have no beef with US auto manufacturers, indeed I have a vested interest in them doing well, but in my personal opinion the quality still lags behind European vehicles - not just in terms of fit and finish, but also in the quality of the materials used. That said, Jap interior plastics...
Ah yes, JD Power's US 'Initial Quality' reports... just tot up the 'reported problems' on a car model and divide them through the # of cars of that model in the survey and voila, you have a pecking order of quality. Should work but for one thing.
Among the most reported problems:
MINI: It is too small.
Hummer: High fuel consumption.
Righto.
Among the most reported problems:
MINI: It is too small.
Hummer: High fuel consumption.
Righto.
I have come to the conclusion that the Euro/American debate that breaks out occasionally is due to the fact that cars are produced and sold a lot more cheaply in the States than they are in UK and your perception of value is naturally affected by the cost of what youre buying.
Somebody commented that the Mustang was a $20,000.00 muscle car - well, great, but at the price they ask over here it just looks ludicrous.
Somebody commented that the Mustang was a $20,000.00 muscle car - well, great, but at the price they ask over here it just looks ludicrous.
cardigankid said:
I have come to the conclusion that the Euro/American debate that breaks out occasionally is due to the fact that cars are produced and sold a lot more cheaply in the States than they are in UK and your perception of value is naturally affected by the cost of what youre buying.
Somebody commented that the Mustang was a $20,000.00 muscle car - well, great, but at the price they ask over here it just looks ludicrous.
Somebody commented that the Mustang was a $20,000.00 muscle car - well, great, but at the price they ask over here it just looks ludicrous.
But at an exchange rate of 2 to 1, what can you actually buy in the UK for £10,000
If you compared a 10K car in the UK against a $20K car in the US, which would you choose!
Yes, that's just what I mean. At £10000 it looks like a superb deal. Anyone know the pros and cons of buying from the States?
By the way I've just checked the Jaguar US website. This is a f_____g joke boys! A new XK lists at $75,500, which is £37500 to you and me. The equivalent price in UK is £58500. I've just about had it with this country.
By the way I've just checked the Jaguar US website. This is a f_____g joke boys! A new XK lists at $75,500, which is £37500 to you and me. The equivalent price in UK is £58500. I've just about had it with this country.
Edited by cardigankid on Friday 20th April 08:44
cardigankid said:
Yes, that's just what I mean. At £10000 it looks like a superb deal. Anyone know the pros and cons of buying from the States?
By the way I've just checked the Jaguar US website. This is a f_____g joke boys! A new XK lists at $75,500, which is £37500 to you and me. The equivalent price in UK is £58500. I've just about had it with this country.
By the way I've just checked the Jaguar US website. This is a f_____g joke boys! A new XK lists at $75,500, which is £37500 to you and me. The equivalent price in UK is £58500. I've just about had it with this country.
Edited by cardigankid on Friday 20th April 08:44
This is a major reason Jaguar are have finacial problems. The 2 to 1 exchange rate must be killing them.
You'd probably have problems with the warrantee.
Which for half price I'm sure you could live with.
It would also be a LHD
Other than that, I guess you'd just have to pay shipping, which is peanuts. Then there would be import duty and/or VAT (don't know with cars, with computer parts there is just VAT).
If you wanted a LHD car then it looks like a bargin.
What's the pre-tax price like in Denmark (or other high car tax EEC country)? There you are legally entitled to buy a RHD car and you'll get some European warrantee.
a8hex said:
You'd probably have problems with the warrantee.
Which for half price I'm sure you could live with.
It would also be a LHD
Other than that, I guess you'd just have to pay shipping, which is peanuts. Then there would be import duty and/or VAT (don't know with cars, with computer parts there is just VAT).
If you wanted a LHD car then it looks like a bargin.
I'd imagine you'd also have to pass most of the interesting stuff through SVA, as (as per Mustang) they're not officially sold here, or the specifications are different for US and EU Type Approved models. Depending on the car, this might be a major cost factor.
900T-R said:
a8hex said:
You'd probably have problems with the warrantee.
Which for half price I'm sure you could live with.
It would also be a LHD
Other than that, I guess you'd just have to pay shipping, which is peanuts. Then there would be import duty and/or VAT (don't know with cars, with computer parts there is just VAT).
If you wanted a LHD car then it looks like a bargin.
I'd imagine you'd also have to pass most of the interesting stuff through SVA, as (as per Mustang) they're not officially sold here, or the specifications are different for US and EU Type Approved models. Depending on the car, this might be a major cost factor.
Ask Tinman0, he brought a 'Stang to Europe.
I have imported cars before, although from Europe, and I found that there were few if any major differences in the vehicles - just minor differences in what was standard and what was optional. The cars come off the same line after all. I would be astonished if there is anything which would introduce questions of SVA Type Approval.
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