HELP - Brake Server / Booster needed
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QBee said:
Also don't be shy. If you have a part number, google Ford dealers in say Baltimore and call them.
I did when I owned a Ford Explorer. They knew straight away how long every job took and the parts were often cheaper, even with airfreight..
If you need a USA Ford part, try buying it from the USA.
Its a UK part from the 1.6D MK3 Fiesta circa >95ish and a couple of other variants XR2i etc of the same model but 96 on is another type model I did when I owned a Ford Explorer. They knew straight away how long every job took and the parts were often cheaper, even with airfreight..
If you need a USA Ford part, try buying it from the USA.
it may also have been fitted to cars in the states who knows with FORD's parts been specials 
Europe most definitely Sardonicus said:
QBee said:
Also don't be shy. If you have a part number, google Ford dealers in say Baltimore and call them.
I did when I owned a Ford Explorer. They knew straight away how long every job took and the parts were often cheaper, even with airfreight..
If you need a USA Ford part, try buying it from the USA.
Its a UK part from the 1.6D MK3 Fiesta circa >95ish and a couple of other variants XR2i etc of the same model but 96 on is another type model I did when I owned a Ford Explorer. They knew straight away how long every job took and the parts were often cheaper, even with airfreight..
If you need a USA Ford part, try buying it from the USA.
it may also have been fitted to cars in the states who knows with FORD's parts been specials Europe most definitely Worth checking if anyone has contacts and the US angle is certainly worth a look. Anyone have contacts in Australia or Japan if Fiestas were sold there?
QBee said:
Just tried a US Ford dealer. The 1666345 part number does not work...... Any alternatives?
Further info on the servo below - copied from this threadBrake Servo
Part Numbers
OE 1666345
Girling 4110328
TRW PSA 328
Vehicle fitting information
Vehicle (All non ABS/RHD) Model Year Engine Capacity
Fiesta Mk II (FBD) – 1.3 (FBD) 09.83 – 01.87 1296
Fiesta Mk II (FBD) – 1.3 09.83 – 09.89 1297
Fiesta Mk II (FBD) – 1.6 D (FBD) 04.84 – 02.89 1608
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.0 03.89 – 12.95 1001
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.1 03.89 – 12.95 1119
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.1 03.89 – 12.95 1119
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.3 03.89 – 12.95 1297
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.3 03.89 – 12.92 1299
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.3 CAT 05.91 – 01.97 1299
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.4 03.89 – 12.95 1391
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.4 03.89 – 12.95 1391
Fiesta Mk III (GFJ) – 1.4 CAT 03.89 – 12.95 1391
hallo,
I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
hansdaal said:
hallo,
I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
Can the stud fixings of the T-car ones be altered to fit the Griff/Chim? A bit of drilling/reweld perhaps? Thanks.I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
EGB said:
hansdaal said:
hallo,
I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
Can the stud fixings of the T-car ones be altered to fit the Griff/Chim? A bit of drilling/reweld perhaps? Thanks.I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
My car is in with Phil from PR Wood at the moment. Phil ordered one of the the Ka servos in to test the fitment.
The servo arrived today, Phil has been looking at the possible fitment to the Griff and has noted that the stud pattern on the pedal box side does not match, but the pedal box could potentially be drilled.
The show stopper however is the the pin on the cylinder side does not fit the existing master cylinder which means the matching Ka cylinder and reservoir would need to be fitted. The reservoir is a different size to the original so that could result in modifications needed to the inside wing in the engine bay.
The labour involved in modifying the car to fit the later servo, master cylinder and reservoir will probably be in excess what it would cost purchase a new original servo at the inflated price.
This has left me no choice but to order an original new servo. Phil at PR Wood managed to do a deal with Keith at Racetec where I have a new servo and master cylinder for just over £500. Still not ideal but a good price considering and it gets my car back on the road with a new servo and cylinder which are guaranteed to fit.
What the answer is once all the old servos have gone I have no idea. It would be nice to find a more modern alternative for the servo, master cylinder and reservoir that fits without modification or a TVR parts company which is willing to invest with a supplier to do a re-run of the old parts.
The servo arrived today, Phil has been looking at the possible fitment to the Griff and has noted that the stud pattern on the pedal box side does not match, but the pedal box could potentially be drilled.
The show stopper however is the the pin on the cylinder side does not fit the existing master cylinder which means the matching Ka cylinder and reservoir would need to be fitted. The reservoir is a different size to the original so that could result in modifications needed to the inside wing in the engine bay.
The labour involved in modifying the car to fit the later servo, master cylinder and reservoir will probably be in excess what it would cost purchase a new original servo at the inflated price.
This has left me no choice but to order an original new servo. Phil at PR Wood managed to do a deal with Keith at Racetec where I have a new servo and master cylinder for just over £500. Still not ideal but a good price considering and it gets my car back on the road with a new servo and cylinder which are guaranteed to fit.
What the answer is once all the old servos have gone I have no idea. It would be nice to find a more modern alternative for the servo, master cylinder and reservoir that fits without modification or a TVR parts company which is willing to invest with a supplier to do a re-run of the old parts.
hansdaal said:
hallo,
I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
Many thanks for all your help Hans. I tried all over Europe through several channels.
But after my last luck "zip". I even tried Ford Asia but got no reply.
Eventually I got in contact with a firm in China who made a batch, 300 pieces, for a company in the UK in 2009. After that they scrapped the "jigs". They were happy to make them again. But that is too far a leap for me. You need to order 100 items. But IMHO a "bridge too far" with to many uncertainties.
I have tried the T-car ones but stud pattern completeley different.
I will search on and maybe get Lucky somewhere. There must be an alternative.
Greetings
Hans.
I forgot to mention Phil did also contact a company who offers a refurbishment service for brake servos but this is mainly for classic cars where the servos are serviceable items. They did say they could refurbish the old servo for a cost of £250 but this would involve cutting the old unit open, reparing and re-welding it again. Didn't sound ideal to me and given how much labour is involved in swapping it I thought I'd rather pay the extra for a new one.
Maybe these guys can help, it seems to be their intention to find this type of thing.
http://www.obsoletetvr.co.uk/
I've sent them an email and a link to this thread
http://www.obsoletetvr.co.uk/
I've sent them an email and a link to this thread
Edited by Colin RedGriff on Wednesday 14th August 19:01
MPoxon said:
My car is in with Phil from PR Wood at the moment. Phil ordered one of the the Ka servos in to test the fitment.
The servo arrived today, Phil has been looking at the possible fitment to the Griff and has noted that the stud pattern on the pedal box side does not match, but the pedal box could potentially be drilled.
The show stopper however is the the pin on the cylinder side does not fit the existing master cylinder which means the matching Ka cylinder and reservoir would need to be fitted. The reservoir is a different size to the original so that could result in modifications needed to the inside wing in the engine bay.
The labour involved in modifying the car to fit the later servo, master cylinder and reservoir will probably be in excess what it would cost purchase a new original servo at the inflated price.
This has left me no choice but to order an original new servo. Phil at PR Wood managed to do a deal with Keith at Racetec where I have a new servo and master cylinder for just over £500. Still not ideal but a good price considering and it gets my car back on the road with a new servo and cylinder which are guaranteed to fit.
What the answer is once all the old servos have gone I have no idea. It would be nice to find a more modern alternative for the servo, master cylinder and reservoir that fits without modification or a TVR parts company which is willing to invest with a supplier to do a re-run of the old parts.
Hi Matt, seems like you are having a nightmare with this servo saga! Following the thread it is quite likely that any of us could suffer the same fate, so having thought about it and taking into account your comments above re the KA servo unit, I would not mind developing a modification kit to use the KA servo on the TVR pedal bracket and using existing master cylinder. You state there was a problem with the pin of actuation rod, a new rod could be manufactured to fit the KA servo one end and the existing master cylinder the other! Also a template could be made (laser profiled) with the mounting stud configuration of the KA unit, which was then placed against the existing mounting and used to drill out new holes. I envisage an adaptor kit with a new turned actuation rod and a template!The servo arrived today, Phil has been looking at the possible fitment to the Griff and has noted that the stud pattern on the pedal box side does not match, but the pedal box could potentially be drilled.
The show stopper however is the the pin on the cylinder side does not fit the existing master cylinder which means the matching Ka cylinder and reservoir would need to be fitted. The reservoir is a different size to the original so that could result in modifications needed to the inside wing in the engine bay.
The labour involved in modifying the car to fit the later servo, master cylinder and reservoir will probably be in excess what it would cost purchase a new original servo at the inflated price.
This has left me no choice but to order an original new servo. Phil at PR Wood managed to do a deal with Keith at Racetec where I have a new servo and master cylinder for just over £500. Still not ideal but a good price considering and it gets my car back on the road with a new servo and cylinder which are guaranteed to fit.
What the answer is once all the old servos have gone I have no idea. It would be nice to find a more modern alternative for the servo, master cylinder and reservoir that fits without modification or a TVR parts company which is willing to invest with a supplier to do a re-run of the old parts.
I would need to have for a while a KA servo, Griff pedal plate, both actuation rods. This would then enable me to get parts drawn up. I would then get a prototype made up for trial. Would anyone be interested?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-KA-OR-TVR-OR-KIT-CA...
That's the spirit Peter.
The above had more than 10 for sale yesterday. Mine is ok at present but who knows in future. Matthew may still have his KA.
How's the Walnut veneer dash coming on?
That's the spirit Peter.
The above had more than 10 for sale yesterday. Mine is ok at present but who knows in future. Matthew may still have his KA.
How's the Walnut veneer dash coming on?
Edited by EGB on Thursday 15th August 17:09
EGB said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-KA-OR-TVR-OR-KIT-CA...
That's the spirit Peter.
The above had more than 10 for sale yesterday. Mine is ok at present but who knows in future. Matthew may still have his KA.
How's the Walnut veneer dash coming on?
Cheers EGB, I have noticed a few 2nd hand KA units on ebay for reasonable money which I have put in my watch list. Regards, PeteThat's the spirit Peter.
The above had more than 10 for sale yesterday. Mine is ok at present but who knows in future. Matthew may still have his KA.
How's the Walnut veneer dash coming on?
Edited by EGB on Thursday 15th August 17:09
PeteGriff said:
Hi Matt, seems like you are having a nightmare with this servo saga! Following the thread it is quite likely that any of us could suffer the same fate, so having thought about it and taking into account your comments above re the KA servo unit, I would not mind developing a modification kit to use the KA servo on the TVR pedal bracket and using existing master cylinder. You state there was a problem with the pin of actuation rod, a new rod could be manufactured to fit the KA servo one end and the existing master cylinder the other! Also a template could be made (laser profiled) with the mounting stud configuration of the KA unit, which was then placed against the existing mounting and used to drill out new holes. I envisage an adaptor kit with a new turned actuation rod and a template!
I would need to have for a while a KA servo, Griff pedal plate, both actuation rods. This would then enable me to get parts drawn up. I would then get a prototype made up for trial. Would anyone be interested?
Good work Pete. There`s going to be plenty of these needed in the near future.I would need to have for a while a KA servo, Griff pedal plate, both actuation rods. This would then enable me to get parts drawn up. I would then get a prototype made up for trial. Would anyone be interested?
Glad i changed mine out last year. Think i must have bought the last one
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