Would you employ an ex-offender ?

[sparkyjohn]

This is how/why we have to check:

CRB said:

Which financial services sector staff are eligible to receive higher-level Disclosures? The staff who are eligible to receive the Standard level of Disclosure are listed below. If you require further clarification, please telephone the information line on 0870 90 90 811. i) an "approved person" within the meaning of the Financial Services and Markets Act (FSMA) 2000. ii) an "associate" of the "approved person".

>> Edited by sparkyjohn on Wednesday 12th November 20:57

[sparkyjohn]

Big_M said:

OK - consider this - how many people would give Tony Martin a job?

Oi, stop leading my thread into dangerous waters !

[Big_M]

[dick dastardly]

I don't see the problem really. It's not like he's been done for robbing his ex employers or for fraud.

Unless you know the in-and-outs of why he perjured then you can't fully judge him. If someone close to me needed me to lie for them in court then I would without hesitation, if I felt it was the right thing to do. Doesn't mean I'm an unsavoury character - I don't steal from my employers.

If I was employing him then I'd think about how stupid the law is in this country. You can go to jail for riding a bike fast but get a slap on the wrist for robbing OAPs. I have no faith in our justice system so would use my own judgement rather than theirs.

I'd also remember that anyone else you employ could steal millions from your company, just because they haven't been caught yet and he has doesn't make them a totally sound employee.

Hope this in some way helps

>> Edited by dick dastardly on Thursday 13th November 09:24

[dragstar]

let us know what you decide (if you can!!)

[Marcos Maniac]

Davel said:

Depending on your views of the person, consider a 2 or 3 month trial (no pun intended), if you feel that their application warants serious consideration. Only he/she knows the real facts of their previous conviction and, if you are prepared to employ the person, then they could possibly just turn out to be the most loyal employee on your books! You may have given them a second chance in life that few others would...

call them back for another interview, and talk to them about their conviction. be upfront with them about your concerns, see what sort of response you get from them.

look at it this way - they have applied for the position and admitted that they have a criminal conviction, how many employers would give them 'a chance' - so if you give them 'a chance' are they really going to blow it and risk a second conviction, thus making it harder to gain future employment??????????

personally I would go along the lines of:

"ok, you have admitted to having a criminal conviction, have you applied for any other positions and declared this?"

if they answer Yes:

"do you think that your conviction may have been a contributing factor to you not getting the job"

see what their response is

[rich 36]

The same as buying the car you drive,not its wad of service history to tell you what a good deal your getting.
A gut feeling tells you at the outset, the fact your casting about for opinions, should tell you. trust your OWN judgement this time.

[Davel]

Oh and as for Tony Martin

Depending on interview - I might!

[rich 36]

Tony Martin on line 1 for you Rich,
Hello is that norwich union, about my fire cover?

[drum4it]

I gave a bloke a chance a few years back - serious enough crime he'd been done for - he was a grovelling jelly for 2 years, then we had a quiet spell and he decided a 'no win no fee' was the way to go after busting his hand in a fight & saying he did it at work - usual story, my insurers bottled it & paid out of court, they then wouldn't cover me the following year (nice one) and so neither would anybody else, nearly had to close down as it's illegal not having liability insurance - got one firm to insure me via the FSB & they just stuck 5 grand a year on the premium for the next 4 years.... £20,000 - and that's why I haven't bought a new Tamora yet!!!!

not that this person would do that of course... if it was my kid in court I'd maybe cover their arse too...

rant over - gasps for breath...

[condor]

I'm with the 'give him a chance' set

I employed a temp who put on his application form that he didn't have a criminal conviction...only to find out 2 weeks later that he had (for violence) - kept an eye on him...but he was fine...and I didn't tell him I knew about his conviction either.
Of course, if it had gone wrong - could easily dismiss him as he lied on his application.

I thought all companies had a probationary period anyway.

[jvaughan]

I would give the benefit of the doubt.
I know of a person who was convicted for attempted Murder. She did not get a custodial because her spouse agreed to have her back.. The thing is he was hitting her and her child, but he was able to manipulate the system, and was the innocent party ( yes she was phyciatric evaluated too ). She was eventually given community service, she served this, then filed for divorce, left him and now lives elsewhere. She has just done a university degree as a single parent, and will soon graduate. She faces the same problems getting a job as your applicant. She has to tell the truth

[sparkyjohn]

After much deliberation, and thanks to all for your input, the person concerned has been invited to the second round interviews If they continue to impress, they've got the job.