Why do Apple devices not run Flash?

[otolith]

deevlash said:

The browser sucks and cant run flash, so if the browser crashes whilst running flash people will blame apple, well duh, they made a browser which cant run flash. Id be pissed too, especially when a £100 stty laptop can run it just fine..

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

[deevlash]

otolith said:

deevlash said:

The browser sucks and cant run flash, so if the browser crashes whilst running flash people will blame apple, well duh, they made a browser which cant run flash. Id be pissed too, especially when a £100 stty laptop can run it just fine..

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

so why does my crappy laptop run it just fine then?

[mattley]

deevlash said:

otolith said:

deevlash said:

The browser sucks and cant run flash, so if the browser crashes whilst running flash people will blame apple, well duh, they made a browser which cant run flash. Id be pissed too, especially when a £100 stty laptop can run it just fine..

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

so why does my crappy laptop run it just fine then?

Because Adobe have done a shed load of work to make Flash more stable on the Windows platform.

[deevlash]

mattley said:

deevlash said:

otolith said:

deevlash said:

The browser sucks and cant run flash, so if the browser crashes whilst running flash people will blame apple, well duh, they made a browser which cant run flash. Id be pissed too, especially when a £100 stty laptop can run it just fine..

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

so why does my crappy laptop run it just fine then?

Because Adobe have done a shed load of work to make Flash more stable on the Windows platform.

why wouldnt they do that for apple too? Because the apple boss man pissed them off and now has a platform that cant access half of the internet? Good work there, that'll show them.

[otolith]

deevlash said:

so why does my crappy laptop run it just fine then?

Because there are differ versions of the Flash plug-in for different browsers and different operating systems.

[jazzybee]

PW said:

There maybe many other programs, plug-ins and coding that are done similarly lazily and slapdash, but I can't say I ever notice it or have browsers announce that they are now inoperable because of them.

The reason slapdash implementations are more noticeable is down to its success, it is a far more pervasive delivery platform than any other. Remember what the net used to be like with all those buggy Java interactive apps of the past? There are still a few about, and they are far worse at trashing browsers. Flash implementations are a huge improvement. The demand is there for rich interactivity and Flash has delivered that far more successfully than any other technology in recent times.

[Blue Meanie]

deevlash said:

mattley said:

deevlash said:

otolith said:

deevlash said:

The browser sucks and cant run flash, so if the browser crashes whilst running flash people will blame apple, well duh, they made a browser which cant run flash. Id be pissed too, especially when a £100 stty laptop can run it just fine..

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

so why does my crappy laptop run it just fine then?

Because Adobe have done a shed load of work to make Flash more stable on the Windows platform.

why wouldnt they do that for apple too? Because the apple boss man pissed them off and now has a platform that cant access half of the internet? Good work there, that'll show them.

Good question... If they made flash better on safari then we wouldn't be discussing it. This has been an issue for some time, however it only really became an issue when the mobile devices came out, and the decision that flash was too costly against things like stability, battery etc. As for the whole app store being restrictive, etc, I consider it quality control. Could you imagine flooding the place with crappy, unsafe, and unstable apps? The old adage, "be careful what you download" is as applicable with a mobile device as it is with a computer. Of course this is all solved by simply not buying it if you don't like it.

[Carfolio]

steve z said:

So one mans ego about the stability of his browser is more important than what consumers want?

The site owners are at fault, usually driven by idiot developers/designers who have swallowed the Flash propaganda about being "ubiquitous". Foolish decision to deliver content wrapped in a proprietary container. They should take the flak, not Jobs, who is doing the right thing if only by coincidence.

[Blue Meanie]

Well, I consider the analogy that if you buy a non-OEM part for your car, and it is st, you cannot blame the OEM.

[TuxRacer]

otolith said:

deevlash said:

The browser sucks and cant run flash, so if the browser crashes whilst running flash people will blame apple, well duh, they made a browser which cant run flash. Id be pissed too, especially when a £100 stty laptop can run it just fine..

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

Which is a perfectly acceptable reason for the flash plugin to crash, but not for Safari to crash.

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Isn't the answer then not to buy apple products if you don't like the restrictions of the app store or the lack of flash?

[RobDickinson]

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Isn't the answer then not to buy apple products if you don't like the restrictions of the app store or the lack of flash?

I honestly dont think the typical apple consumer knows or understands...

[steve z]

RobDickinson said:

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Isn't the answer then not to buy apple products if you don't like the restrictions of the app store or the lack of flash?

I honestly dont think the typical apple consumer knows or understands...

I knew but didn't comprehend how much Flash content there was on the likes of the BBC website

[otolith]

TuxRacer said:

otolith said:

I'm guessing software architecture isn't your thing, and you don't understand what a plug-in pattern implies, but the bottom line is that the stty code belonged to the third party Flash plug-in and was not written by Apple.

Which is a perfectly acceptable reason for the flash plugin to crash, but not for Safari to crash.

It's possible to write a plugin architecture which runs plugins out of process (Chrome has one and Firefox recently acquired one, though not for the Mac) but it isn't free - more complexity and potentially a performance hit.

[TuxRacer]

Arguable, but a small performance or complexity increase over allowing third party code to crash your software? Reckless!

[otolith]

TuxRacer said:

Arguable, but a small performance or complexity increase over allowing third party code to crash your software? Reckless!

That was the state of the market - Apple implemented the same model as the Mozilla based browsers - and of course, Internet Explorer has always allowed in-process activeX controls to be instantiated in the page.

[Rusty Arches]

Because macs aren't powerful enough, that's all.

We all know Macs are like Fisher Price computers.

[otolith]

99% of Flash content is as bad as <blink> and <marquee>. I block it on my machine and enable it for a handful of functions, all of which could have been written without it.

[paddyhasneeds]

I still don't see why this is an Apple thing though.

At work I have several hundred Windows PCs, all run Flash, it gives us no problems.

At home I have a couple of Macs, they all run flash no problem if I use Chrome.

The only time I've encountered Flash issues (other than it being a bit of resource hog) has been when using Safari.

[sjg]

paddyhasneeds said:

At work I have several hundred Windows PCs, all run Flash, it gives us no problems.

Beyond patching them frequently because of yet another exploit and security fix?