Apple bricking iPhones that have been 3rd party repaired

[otolith]

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

Is this you?

Of course it isn't Steve. I do like your sneering at people who would dare to desire a pair of decent noise cancelling earbuds though, simply because they don't have an Apple logo on them. Awesome.

IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH APPLE

[George111]

otolith said:

IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH APPLE

To them it is, mindless, petty pissing against a success - typical working class st stirring because they've got nothing better to say about Fandroid

[davek_964]

George111 said:

otolith said:

IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH APPLE

To them it is, mindless, petty pissing against a success - typical working class st stirring because they've got nothing better to say about Fandroid

The reason many Iphone owners are called fanboi's is because many seem unwilling to acknowledge that the iphone has any negative points at all, and that is simply unrealistic.

I have already stated I would not have an Iphone. I tried it, and it was very far from meeting my needs. But that doesn't mean that my current phone is perfect. Samsung decided to remove / change half the applications between S4 and S5 - some of which I used, and could not install on S5. That was a pain. In the S6, they've done away with SD cards - which means my next phone will not be a Samsung. If Samsung decided to delete the earphone socket, and thereby prevent me from using decent headphones - again, that would be a deal breaker for me.

The iphone views in this thread tend to be a bit more polarised, at least so far. Earphone socket delete? That doesn't matter - I'm happy with st earphones and being tied into only being able to buy Apple earphones. Lack of SD card? I don't need one. Swappable battery? No, I've found another solution for when my phone goes flat - and yet I won't acknowledge the fact that I NEED another solution as a limitation of my Iphone.

Let's add a bit of balance. There must be SOMETHING you don't like about your iphones surely?

[clonmult]

Tycho said:

B-b-b-but it doesn't have the "functionality, reliability or general swish-ness" of an iPhone.... TBH I found WM10 great and MS should do a Surface phone with the Pureview camera.

There are parts of the iOS functionality that I like - have an older Alpine head unit (IDA-X305S), and it works quite nicely with my old iPhone 4S via Spotify. Similarly, with the bedside clock/dock with remote, it is darned handy for podcasts and audio books.

Never quite understood the claims of iOS being swishy/elegant/etc. Always struck me as being a little bland. Hey ho.

I'd be happy with an updated Nokia 808 - similar sized sensor, new silicon, it would be awesome. As it stands, the 808 whups the 1020 and 950 for camera performance (image quality, image processing time, camera functionality).

I do hope that they release a surface phone, as the surface and surface book are absolutely stunning designs.

[otolith]

davek_964 said:

Let's add a bit of balance. There must be SOMETHING you don't like about your iphones surely?

I don't like the way that "This solution works for me. I am insufficiently motivated to go through the hassle of migrating to another platform. None of this stuff that bothers you is a big deal for me." enrages people who think it's important that I should have what works for them and assume that by disagreeing with them I am taking a contrary position on what is good for them or indeed objectively good.

The only thing it has done recently that annoyed me was popping up a dialog box within the music app when the music was paused inviting me to have a trial of Apple Music. This caused the app to become unresponsive to Siri and the remote on the earphone lead which meant I had to dig the phone out of my pocket and unlock it to dismiss the box before it would continue playing. That was annoying. It's not done it since.

I'm not entirely convinced that the iPhone 6 is not a bit too large.

There are a few system features to which Siri does not have access. I think it's likely that someone who understands the OS architecture could give a good reason for why that has been done, so I'm not going to bh about it from a position of ignorance, but it's a bit irritating.

It's beyond me why I can't tell my watch to alert me that it has lost connectivity with my phone (and thus that I may have left it somewhere).

Setting up iCloud correctly to sync the camera roll with my PC was not as obvious as it should have been.

Trivial stuff.

[George111]

davek_964 said:

Let's add a bit of balance. There must be SOMETHING you don't like about your iphones surely?

No, when you have Apple TV, iPad, iPhone and Mac then you have a complete life, your life is whole, like having children and grand children, all well educated and happy, life is complete. What more is there other than perhaps 6 pocket trousers to carry more of the little critters ?

Seriously, this thread lost all credibility when: (a) the Fandroid people refused to accept and/or understand the critical nature of the security risk and (b) they started using the word "fanboi" and criticising anybody who likes Apple products.

The same security feature will be present in any phone or device which permits the swapping of a biometric interface outside of an authorised environment and this is going to get worse over time, not better.

[davek_964]

George111 said:

Seriously, this thread lost all credibility when: (a) the Fandroid people refused to accept and/or understand the critical nature of the security risk

No.

The security risk is understood. The main direction of this thread is that the Iphone owners who have posted think that bricking the phone is a reasonable way to deal with it, and that anybody who has had a "cheap" repair kind of deserves it - and the non-iphone owners think it's entirely unreasonable and a sledgehammer vs walnut solution.

[otolith]

Not really their problem, is it, since they won't be in possession of an iPhone with a botched repair to the security system.

[davek_964]

otolith said:

Not really their problem, is it, since they won't be in possession of an iPhone with a botched repair to the security system.

And round and round we go. A non-official replacement of the touch sensor is not by definition a botched repair, and retrospectively bricking phones that have had it done is not reasonable.

But, as I've said before - it seems that apple can behave in whatever way they wish, and some customers will remain loyal. Which means they are unlikely to improve their behaviour.

[Koofler]

otolith said:

Koofler said:

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

Is this you?

Of course it isn't Steve. I do like your sneering at people who would dare to desire a pair of decent noise cancelling earbuds though, simply because they don't have an Apple logo on them. Awesome.

Sorry Otolith. You came across as a gormless Apple fanboi earlier (which is fine; each to their own) but now you're just coming across as a cocksocket.

You're both projecting your own prejudices. I would have exactly the same opinion of any other manufacturer moving to a different connector. I literally could not care less, so long as it comes with some earphones that work, and I don't think that is an atypical position. It's not an Apple thing, it's simply that compatibility with third party earphones is a niche interest. If Apple do move to that, and there are people who care, I'm sure they can choose a different phone.

And "fanboi" - the irony is that the only people who throw that accusation around are themselves wrapped up in defining themselves by their position on some unimportant gadget - and who are emotionally invested in being angry about the sockets on a device they have no intention of owning.

Again, you're talking out of your neck.

I work in an Enterprise environment that is 99.99% Apple. We've even worked with Apple in the past. I previously worked for a company that was an Apple reseller years before Apple Stores existed and their like helped to keep Apple afloat during the bad times. So I know plenty about Apple, their culture and their systems.

You say "unimportant gadget" but your earlier posts wax lyrical about the iPhone being a premium (more expensive than Android et al) handset, like that actually means something. Your statement that "compatibility with third party earphones is a niche interest" is possibly the most retarded thing I've read on the entire internet. But nothing I, or anyone else, will say will change your mind. I'm sure if you had to send your phone off for repair like you suggested earlier, you'd be having a meltdown.

FWIW I have an iPhone 6S Plus and an ASUS Dual Sim Zenfone 2 on my desk as we speak. Both are work devices. I find the ASUS to be a better device because (a) I can get it to do whatever I want (b) it's dual SIM (c) it can be dropped without imploding.

No fanboi-ism, just something that works better than something else.

[WinstonWolf]

davek_964 said:

George111 said:

otolith said:

IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH APPLE

To them it is, mindless, petty pissing against a success - typical working class st stirring because they've got nothing better to say about Fandroid

The reason many Iphone owners are called fanboi's is because many seem unwilling to acknowledge that the iphone has any negative points at all, and that is simply unrealistic.

I have already stated I would not have an Iphone. I tried it, and it was very far from meeting my needs. But that doesn't mean that my current phone is perfect. Samsung decided to remove / change half the applications between S4 and S5 - some of which I used, and could not install on S5. That was a pain. In the S6, they've done away with SD cards - which means my next phone will not be a Samsung. If Samsung decided to delete the earphone socket, and thereby prevent me from using decent headphones - again, that would be a deal breaker for me.

The iphone views in this thread tend to be a bit more polarised, at least so far. Earphone socket delete? That doesn't matter - I'm happy with st earphones and being tied into only being able to buy Apple earphones. Lack of SD card? I don't need one. Swappable battery? No, I've found another solution for when my phone goes flat - and yet I won't acknowledge the fact that I NEED another solution as a limitation of my Iphone.

Let's add a bit of balance. There must be SOMETHING you don't like about your iphones surely?

I know what I don't like, that other people think they know better if I happen to own an iPhone.

I have an iPhone, well a couple of them actually. I also have a cheapo Moto G 4g. The Moto G is better than my iPhone 5, the iPhone 6 is better than the Moto G. Now I can't be a fanboi because I have an Android phone. I guess this means I am probably one of the few people who can comment objectively without any emotional baggage.

Bottom line,if you feel the need to call someone a fanboi because their choice of phone I'm afraid you are also one...

[ZesPak]

WinstonWolf said:

I know what I don't like, that other people think they know better if I happen to own an iPhone.

I have an iPhone, well a couple of them actually. I also have a cheapo Moto G 4g. The Moto G is better than my iPhone 5, the iPhone 6 is better than the Moto G. Now I can't be a fanboi because I have an Android phone. I guess this means I am probably one of the few people who can comment objectively without any emotional baggage.

Bottom line,if you feel the need to call someone a fanboi because their choice of phone I'm afraid you are also one...

All do respect, I think you misread him.
He didn't say people are fanboys because they own a certain phone, he says people are fanboys because they refuse to acknowledge the phone might be flawed in some way.

[davek_964]

WinstonWolf said:

I know what I don't like, that other people think they know better if I happen to own an iPhone.

I have an iPhone, well a couple of them actually. I also have a cheapo Moto G 4g. The Moto G is better than my iPhone 5, the iPhone 6 is better than the Moto G. Now I can't be a fanboi because I have an Android phone. I guess this means I am probably one of the few people who can comment objectively without any emotional baggage.

Bottom line,if you feel the need to call someone a fanboi because their choice of phone I'm afraid you are also one...

I don't think that's the criteria at all, and certainly don't think I've said as much. I know people who have them who I certainly don't class that way. But they have a much more balanced and objective view that the 'apple can do no wrong' opinion that some owners have. (And from your post, you do not appear to be an example).

[WinstonWolf]

davek_964 said:

WinstonWolf said:

I know what I don't like, that other people think they know better if I happen to own an iPhone.

I have an iPhone, well a couple of them actually. I also have a cheapo Moto G 4g. The Moto G is better than my iPhone 5, the iPhone 6 is better than the Moto G. Now I can't be a fanboi because I have an Android phone. I guess this means I am probably one of the few people who can comment objectively without any emotional baggage.

Bottom line,if you feel the need to call someone a fanboi because their choice of phone I'm afraid you are also one...

I don't think that's the criteria at all, and certainly don't think I've said as much. I know people who have them who I certainly don't class that way. But they have a much more balanced and objective view that the 'apple can do no wrong' opinion that some owners have. (And from your post, you do not appear to be an example).

Both have their plusses and their minuses, it just gets a bit frustrating when you point out that one is better or worse for a given technical reason and people start jumping up and down.

The bricking, absolute asshat of an idea by Apple. It's *my* phone, how dare they disable it (Mine's working) For me that's a dealbreaker if they don't sort it. I wouldn't care how good a feature is, if I can't get access to *my* content that vendor won't be on my list next time I need a phone

[hornetrider]

otolith said:

Not really their problem, is it, since they won't be in possession of an iPhone with a botched repair to the security system.

Steve. Do tell us how a replacement touch sensor is a botched repair. Show working.

[jmorgan]

Not knowing security and all that, if the button is paired to the device or whatever is required for this (as reading on other forums), would the design that allows the phone to continue to be used but disable the fingerprint reading be possible? I expect apple have done this on purpose for what ever reasons, whether its the card companies or the dollar signs. Or both.

[otolith]

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

Not really their problem, is it, since they won't be in possession of an iPhone with a botched repair to the security system.

Steve. Do tell us how a replacement touch sensor is a botched repair. Show working.

New sensor paired correctly with secure enclave = job done properly
New sensor not paired because repairer is ignorant of the need to do so = botched.

[Tycho]

otolith said:

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

Not really their problem, is it, since they won't be in possession of an iPhone with a botched repair to the security system.

Steve. Do tell us how a replacement touch sensor is a botched repair. Show working.

New sensor paired correctly with secure enclave = job done properly
New sensor not paired because repairer is ignorant of the need to do so = botched.

That is fine but only erase the secure enclave and disable the fingerprint part of the security structure. It can be done because you don't need to use a fingerprint to use the phone, people use a PIN all the time.

The need to pair the touch id isn't being disputed by anyone on this thread as far as I can see but it is the totally incompetent way that the whole phone is reduced to a brick which is out of order and I'm still surprised that some people cannot see this.

[otolith]

Koofler said:

You say "unimportant gadget" but your earlier posts wax lyrical about the iPhone being a premium (more expensive than Android et al) handset, like that actually means something.

I think you misunderstood, I said that the advantage of Android is cheapness. Do you dispute that you can get Android devices more cheaply than iOS devices, and that this is an advantage?

Koofler said:

Your statement that "compatibility with third party earphones is a niche interest" is possibly the most retarded thing I've read on the entire internet. But nothing I, or anyone else, will say will change your mind. I'm sure if you had to send your phone off for repair like you suggested earlier, you'd be having a meltdown.

I remain to be convinced. Maybe teenagers care, people I know generally don't. But you know what? If Apple do move away from the 3.5mm headphone jack, those people who are bothered can go buy something else, can't they?

[Munter]

I think what people defending apple are saying is:
If a car had a lock changed by a 3rd party, after it had become damaged.
And the lock worked fine, but was slightly insecure, and potentially someone might use it's weakness to steal the car.
They would be happy for the main dealer, at a routine service, to render the car unusable.
Then await the arrival of the owner at the end of the day before telling them about it.

Yeah. Seems reasonable to me.