June 7th is iPhone announcement day

[F i F]

Interesting isn't it.

BP screws up and everyone works their ass off to find a fix and compensate people.

Apple screw up and it's like getting blood from a stone.

OK scale of screw up is in a different stratosphere obviously but if you judge a company by how it reacts when things go wrong...

BP big big fair play to them.

Apple - Fail, not quite an utter Fail but...

[eharding]

F i F said:

Interesting isn't it.

BP screws up and everyone works their ass off to find a fix and compensate people.

Apple screw up and it's like getting blood from a stone.

OK scale of screw up is in a different stratosphere obviously but if you judge a company by how it reacts when things go wrong...

BP big big fair play to them.

Apple - Fail, not quite an utter Fail but...

Maybe, but it's all about public perception.

We haven't, for example, seen footage of a gigantic burning iPhone in the Gulf of Mexico, having previously exploded killing numerous people on board, or thousands of tons of liquid iPhone pouring from a ruptured Genius Bar on the sea-bed, or those plaintive shots of seabirds struggling onto shore, unable to fly because they've lost signal on their iPhones and obviously can't get the latest Met or Notams, and hence will probably starve to death.

Not that I'm anti-BP, by any means, but sometimes a sense of perspective can help.

[Stuart]

F i F said:

Interesting isn't it.

BP screws up and everyone works their ass off to find a fix and compensate people.

Apple screw up and it's like getting blood from a stone.

OK scale of screw up is in a different stratosphere obviously but if you judge a company by how it reacts when things go wrong...

BP big big fair play to them.

Apple - Fail, not quite an utter Fail but...

Not a terribly fair comparison though, is it?

BP - people died, marine ecosystem destroyed for decades, livelihoods lost.

Apple - some signal loss if held in a certain place, just as with a representative spread of peer product. No deaths (human or marine) so far recorded.

[chrisxr2]

eharding said:

F i F said:

Interesting isn't it.

BP screws up and everyone works their ass off to find a fix and compensate people.

Apple screw up and it's like getting blood from a stone.

OK scale of screw up is in a different stratosphere obviously but if you judge a company by how it reacts when things go wrong...

BP big big fair play to them.

Apple - Fail, not quite an utter Fail but...

Maybe, but it's all about public perception.

We haven't, for example, seen footage of a gigantic burning iPhone in the Gulf of Mexico, having previously exploded killing numerous people on board, or thousands of tons of liquid iPhone pouring from a ruptured Genius Bar on the sea-bed, or those plaintive shots of seabirds struggling onto shore, unable to fly because they've lost signal on their iPhones and obviously can't get the latest Met or Notams, and hence will probably starve to death.

Not that I'm anti-BP, by any means, but sometimes a sense of perspective can help.

Completely phone unrelated but Bp only owned the oil it was ann american company owned rig with american company contractors on that fooked up just to be clear. Also BP is 39% american owned, news have been keeping that quiet.

[dewaltman]

chrisxr2 said:

Bp only owned the oil

Sorry (again not iphone related) but this is absolute rubbish. Yes they were US contractors, but they were carrying out instructions from BP and it was BP calling the shots. I'm not anti BP at all, but to say they only own the oil is ridiculous!

[Stuart]

Ridiculous possibly, although not as ridiculous as comparing BP with Apple in the first place.

Let's keep this on topic everyone, shall we?

[anonymous-user]

Keeping it on topic and I am
Drunk this is my excuse for not readingbthis properly

Can i get a refund on my bumper?

[[AJ]]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yes.

[eharding]

chrisxr2 said:

eharding said:

F i F said:

Interesting isn't it.

BP screws up and everyone works their ass off to find a fix and compensate people.

Apple screw up and it's like getting blood from a stone.

OK scale of screw up is in a different stratosphere obviously but if you judge a company by how it reacts when things go wrong...

BP big big fair play to them.

Apple - Fail, not quite an utter Fail but...

Maybe, but it's all about public perception.

We haven't, for example, seen footage of a gigantic burning iPhone in the Gulf of Mexico, having previously exploded killing numerous people on board, or thousands of tons of liquid iPhone pouring from a ruptured Genius Bar on the sea-bed, or those plaintive shots of seabirds struggling onto shore, unable to fly because they've lost signal on their iPhones and obviously can't get the latest Met or Notams, and hence will probably starve to death.

Not that I'm anti-BP, by any means, but sometimes a sense of perspective can help.

Completely phone unrelated but Bp only owned the oil it was ann american company owned rig with american company contractors on that fooked up just to be clear. Also BP is 39% american owned, news have been keeping that quiet.

As I said, I'm hardly anti-BP - I have a lot to thank that company for....but in a goat of these dimensions, you can't really complain about getting a bad press. I understood the subcontractors to be ostensibly Swiss company, but that doesn't really mean anything. If you hire muppets, expect the muppet show.

If the iPhone 4 hardware problem eventually turns out to be an issue of component tolerances vs. the design specification, Steve Jobs might be thinking the same thing...but it's only a bloody phone, FFS.

Ooooh, but shiny, shiny, shiny. I want one.

[anonymous-user]

[AJ] said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yes.

Thankyou

[Silent1]

4.01 has already been jailbroken
See here

[Podie]

va1o said:

True, but the competition shown to exhibit the same symptoms aren't six hundred quid!

[eharding]

Silent1 said:

4.01 has already been jailbroken
See here

I'm confused - there is clearly a biosphere of geek fauna which thrive on subverting the controls that Apple impose on consumer handsets, but if Apple really wanted to kill off that sub-culture, would it be that difficult? - various games console manufacturers, and Sky, for example, seem to be cheerfully robust in the face of such subversion. Yes, you can frick about with your iPhone, but if you brick it (or you catch something nasty that bricks it for you) Apple are off the hook.

If these iPhone hackers are so bloody good, why don't we all have free access to other locked-down pay-per-view platforms? - could it be that the iPhone is just *nix under the bonnet, with a veneer of protection that covers Apple's derriere, but if you choose to break it, Apple fundamentally *aren't* that bothered?

The correspondent in that piece seems to be fairly bitter and twisted though.

[andyroo]

Podie said:

va1o said:

True, but the competition shown to exhibit the same symptoms aren't six hundred quid!

Nor do they exhibit the same quality or spec...

[Silent1]

eharding said:

Silent1 said:

4.01 has already been jailbroken
See here

I'm confused - there is clearly a biosphere of geek fauna which thrive on subverting the controls that Apple impose on consumer handsets, but if Apple really wanted to kill off that sub-culture, would it be that difficult? - various games console manufacturers, and Sky, for example, seem to be cheerfully robust in the face of such subversion. Yes, you can frick about with your iPhone, but if you brick it (or you catch something nasty that bricks it for you) Apple are off the hook.

If these iPhone hackers are so bloody good, why don't we all have free access to other locked-down pay-per-view platforms? - could it be that the iPhone is just *nix under the bonnet, with a veneer of protection that covers Apple's derriere, but if you choose to break it, Apple fundamentally *aren't* that bothered?

The correspondent in that piece seems to be fairly bitter and twisted though.

There's hacking of everything, to the original people who do it, it's a challenge. It caught on with the iphone because it's a way of not having to use AT&T in the US and a way of circumventing their nannyish app store.

As for sky, the encryption is well above crackable levels so people have made workarounds, most things open to the masses can be broken by a few.
It's not for the gain or the fame but like i said for many it's like solving a puzzle, it's nice to be able to say i did that.

Although in many peoples cases that can also mean they have to suffer for the perceived crimes they committed.

[dickymint]

Silent1 said:

eharding said:

Silent1 said:

4.01 has already been jailbroken
See here

I'm confused - there is clearly a biosphere of geek fauna which thrive on subverting the controls that Apple impose on consumer handsets, but if Apple really wanted to kill off that sub-culture, would it be that difficult? - various games console manufacturers, and Sky, for example, seem to be cheerfully robust in the face of such subversion. Yes, you can frick about with your iPhone, but if you brick it (or you catch something nasty that bricks it for you) Apple are off the hook.

If these iPhone hackers are so bloody good, why don't we all have free access to other locked-down pay-per-view platforms? - could it be that the iPhone is just *nix under the bonnet, with a veneer of protection that covers Apple's derriere, but if you choose to break it, Apple fundamentally *aren't* that bothered?

The correspondent in that piece seems to be fairly bitter and twisted though.

There's hacking of everything, to the original people who do it, it's a challenge. It caught on with the iphone because it's a way of not having to use AT&T in the US and a way of circumventing their nannyish app store.

As for sky, the encryption is well above crackable levels so people have made workarounds, most things open to the masses can be broken by a few.
It's not for the gain or the fame but like i said for many it's like solving a puzzle, it's nice to be able to say i did that.

Although in many peoples cases that can also mean they have to suffer for the perceived crimes they committed.

Crack Sky and you've cracked the World and made your self a fortune - wont be done.

[eharding]

Silent1 said:

eharding said:

Silent1 said:

4.01 has already been jailbroken
See here

I'm confused - there is clearly a biosphere of geek fauna which thrive on subverting the controls that Apple impose on consumer handsets, but if Apple really wanted to kill off that sub-culture, would it be that difficult? - various games console manufacturers, and Sky, for example, seem to be cheerfully robust in the face of such subversion. Yes, you can frick about with your iPhone, but if you brick it (or you catch something nasty that bricks it for you) Apple are off the hook.

If these iPhone hackers are so bloody good, why don't we all have free access to other locked-down pay-per-view platforms? - could it be that the iPhone is just *nix under the bonnet, with a veneer of protection that covers Apple's derriere, but if you choose to break it, Apple fundamentally *aren't* that bothered?

The correspondent in that piece seems to be fairly bitter and twisted though.

There's hacking of everything, to the original people who do it, it's a challenge. It caught on with the iphone because it's a way of not having to use AT&T in the US and a way of circumventing their nannyish app store.

As for sky, the encryption is well above crackable levels so people have made workarounds, most things open to the masses can be broken by a few.
It's not for the gain or the fame but like i said for many it's like solving a puzzle, it's nice to be able to say i did that.

Although in many peoples cases that can also mean they have to suffer for the perceived crimes they committed.

Does beg the question as to why Apple didn't, or doesn't, weave a higher level of encryption and corresponding application or OS fidelity into the iPhone hardware - my guess is, as above, it keeps the majority of the customers with workable handsets, the jailbroken minority happy, but unsupported, and the jailbreakers blissfully busy every time an OS update appears.

The problem is for all of the Apple bashers is when you compare the Apple AppStore to the Android Market. Whilst the AppStore might appear to be an uptight, anal-retentive, fundamentalist censorship engine, the Android Market is rapidly becoming flooded with applications which seem to largely offer me the option of displaying quite how much of a **** I thought of the previous caller, the image being stolen from an upper shelf magazine.

I'd buy my mother an iPhone, an iTunes account, and let her loose on the AppStore.

Sorry to say, Android fan that I am, that I wouldn't do the same with an Android handset. Currently, the Android Market is a zoo I wouldn't wish upon an elderly relative.

[f13ldy]

Why are phones purchased after the 30th September not eligible for a free bumper?

Are they planning to rectify the problem with an amended model? If so I'd rather one of those. I don't use any type of case and now begrudge having to just to have the standard capabilites available to me...

[Stuart]

f13ldy said:

Why are phones purchased after the 30th September not eligible for a free bumper?

Are they planning to rectify the problem with an amended model? If so I'd rather one of those. I don't use any type of case and now begrudge having to just to have the standard capabilites available to me...

Might be that, or it might be that buying a phone will mean a free case at the point of purchase. This exercise is about getting a case into the hands of the 3m people who already have one.

[fieldl]

Upgraded mine this morning without problems. Not that I've had an issue with the loss of signal. Mind you the 3G networks in HK are pretty good
I wonder how I'd go about getting my case, I guess it would need to ship to my UK address, damn.

I could do with a couple more of them to be honest. I was offered $14,00 HKD yesterday for mine. About £1300 I really should have taken it.
Grey imports are selling for around $16,000-$20,000 by all accounts.