Alternatives to BT for broadband in a rural area.
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Update on my progress.
Was with postoffice for a few weeks running approx 150kb nothing they can do about speeds option to cancel so did do
Changed to plusnet and became active today
Hope it stays like this as I'm getting 10.5mb
Strange how the PO werent able to up the speeds from 150kb. Out of order if it was BT who limited the speeds.
Fingers crossed it stays at a decent speed
Was with postoffice for a few weeks running approx 150kb nothing they can do about speeds option to cancel so did do
Changed to plusnet and became active today
Hope it stays like this as I'm getting 10.5mb
Strange how the PO werent able to up the speeds from 150kb. Out of order if it was BT who limited the speeds.
Fingers crossed it stays at a decent speed
If all else fails...
https://www.satelliteinternet.co.uk
Latency will be higher than copper - at work we have 2 meg links and we experience roughly a 3 second delay over Vx and Dx is similar. Not bad considering we're shooting around 36,000km into space to a Geostationary satellite. This will possibly work over the Inmarsat constellation so expect a minuscule difference in what i've quoted, but be aware it might become congested at peak times.
Worse really comes to worse - http://www.inmarsat.com/service/bgan/
https://www.satelliteinternet.co.uk
Latency will be higher than copper - at work we have 2 meg links and we experience roughly a 3 second delay over Vx and Dx is similar. Not bad considering we're shooting around 36,000km into space to a Geostationary satellite. This will possibly work over the Inmarsat constellation so expect a minuscule difference in what i've quoted, but be aware it might become congested at peak times.
Worse really comes to worse - http://www.inmarsat.com/service/bgan/
SlimJ said:
Can't help thinking the days of these wireless ISPs are pretty numbered now.
I highely doubt this.Edited by SlimJ on Wednesday 2nd December 14:14
For example Mayfair, Belgravia etc in London, which have some of the most expensive properties in the UK (if not Europe) are stuck on ADSL 1mbps because the council won't allow BT to install fibre in those areas.
So they have to rely on 50mbps wireless ISPs.
If I owned a 30m house I would want 1gbps at the very least!
twoblacklines said:
For example Mayfair, Belgravia etc in London, which have some of the most expensive properties in the UK (if not Europe) are stuck on ADSL 1mbps because the council won't allow BT to install fibre in those areas.
must be more to it than that, council can't stop BT (or any other coded utility) running services.My guess is that they won't let Openreach plant their cabinets on the pavements, however, I would have thought there were alternative places to put them?
Avoiding that, nothing stopping a building owner having fibre run to their premises.
If I owned property there I would have sorted this out by now...
Scuffers said:
must be more to it than that, council can't stop BT (or any other coded utility) running services.
My guess is that they won't let Openreach plant their cabinets on the pavements, however, I would have thought there were alternative places to put them?
Avoiding that, nothing stopping a building owner having fibre run to their premises.
If I owned property there I would have sorted this out by now...
Something to do with them not allowing BT to dig up roads, I read about it a while ago.My guess is that they won't let Openreach plant their cabinets on the pavements, however, I would have thought there were alternative places to put them?
Avoiding that, nothing stopping a building owner having fibre run to their premises.
If I owned property there I would have sorted this out by now...
Also Westminister Council messed them around with FTTC for example banning green cabinets.
Most people use Relish but I don't like wireless broadband due to security risk.
telecat said:
Two weeks ago FTTC arrived in the Village. From a barely usable 1.2MPBS we are now at a reliable 30-35MPBS with 7-10MBPS upload. Yippee!!! I'm with BT Business and the 40MBPS product.
Same here. We waited years for fibre to be installed in our village. BT man had to come out after we had a fault on our line. Was getting 44ish down after upgrading to infinity. He installed a new faceplate and reset the dynamic line management. This is the result. Ho ho ho!80 down/20 up. Max line speed 102mb up and nearly 40 down.
theboss said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Several grand from what I recall, and 300 a month !
I'll let you know how it goes... I have some servers in a colo which is costing quite a bit and could easily bring these home if I had a LL, which would offset the cost considerably. It's a bit like leasing a car though - the headline monthlies seem compelling but it's the potentially massive up front cost which will most likely be exorbitant. I wouldn't be surprised if it costs £15-20k to get fibre through the ground to my house but on the off chance there's some usable ducts it might be workable. At present Openreach subsidise the first £2.8k I've been told.Openreach applied their £2.8k subsidy and then handed me the quote for the remainder of the excess construction charge... a cool £112k !!
Damn... back to FTTC... dreams shattered
Don't get too hung up on peak numbers.
20Mbps is enough for most applications -if you actually get it. It's important that the 20mpbs is consistent.
And Latency...
Let me put it this way, I could send you a 1TB download you want to do on a hard disk, and it would arrive tomorrow. It would roughly equate to 100Mbps, which is a lot.
But it won't be a nice way to surf the web.
20Mbps is enough for most applications -if you actually get it. It's important that the 20mpbs is consistent.
And Latency...
Let me put it this way, I could send you a 1TB download you want to do on a hard disk, and it would arrive tomorrow. It would roughly equate to 100Mbps, which is a lot.
But it won't be a nice way to surf the web.
theboss said:
Update - got a proper survey and a quote which involved about half a mile of new ductwork across farmland.
Openreach applied their £2.8k subsidy and then handed me the quote for the remainder of the excess construction charge... a cool £112k !!
Damn... back to FTTC... dreams shattered
question..Openreach applied their £2.8k subsidy and then handed me the quote for the remainder of the excess construction charge... a cool £112k !!
Damn... back to FTTC... dreams shattered
Who's farmland?
if you can get them on-side, it's pretty cheap to install a flexible wall duct, then just get BT to use 'your' duct.
1/2 mile in (relatively) nothing, hell, I have mole'ed in stuff like this several miles long.
Be interesting to see just how much of BT's cost is the cable run?
13m said:
Quickmoose said:
Gigaclear pay farmer's £3.75 a metre to lay their cable.. it's a national set amount agreed with their union.
In most cases you can 'force' them to do it.
Round the edges of their fields at >1m depth
How can they force owner farmers to do that then?In most cases you can 'force' them to do it.
Round the edges of their fields at >1m depth
I've heard of it being pushed through when a community 'demand' it. For the most part farmer's love a bit of £3.75 a metre
Sometimes the edges of the fields are restrcited due to wildlife and the environment agency rules....but again for the most part it's a shoe-in.
Scuffers said:
theboss said:
Update - got a proper survey and a quote which involved about half a mile of new ductwork across farmland.
Openreach applied their £2.8k subsidy and then handed me the quote for the remainder of the excess construction charge... a cool £112k !!
Damn... back to FTTC... dreams shattered
question..Openreach applied their £2.8k subsidy and then handed me the quote for the remainder of the excess construction charge... a cool £112k !!
Damn... back to FTTC... dreams shattered
Who's farmland?
if you can get them on-side, it's pretty cheap to install a flexible wall duct, then just get BT to use 'your' duct.
1/2 mile in (relatively) nothing, hell, I have mole'ed in stuff like this several miles long.
Be interesting to see just how much of BT's cost is the cable run?
The problem is that even if we find a way of doing this cheaply, Openreach still had £20k+ for cables and an extension of their fibre network an additional mile or so in existing ducts, beyond the dig.
I placed the order in the hope that their might have been some fibre infrastructure much closer as there is a school not far up the road. I could see if the school were interested if that would help split a cost, but I didn't really want to start spending 5 figures to dig fibre into a rented residential property.
theboss said:
It's estate owned - farmer tenanted land - the same estate I rent from. I have initiated a conversation about digging/ploughing a duct around the edges of the surrounding fields, and it would be in their interests to try and accommodate seeing as it would serve their own property plus potentially one or two others.
The problem is that even if we find a way of doing this cheaply, Openreach still had £20k+ for cables and an extension of their fibre network an additional mile or so in existing ducts, beyond the dig.
I placed the order in the hope that their might have been some fibre infrastructure much closer as there is a school not far up the road. I could see if the school were interested if that would help split a cost, but I didn't really want to start spending 5 figures to dig fibre into a rented residential property.
problem is your BT person is looking at this the wrong way, you really need to talk to Openreach (as opposed to BT retail).The problem is that even if we find a way of doing this cheaply, Openreach still had £20k+ for cables and an extension of their fibre network an additional mile or so in existing ducts, beyond the dig.
I placed the order in the hope that their might have been some fibre infrastructure much closer as there is a school not far up the road. I could see if the school were interested if that would help split a cost, but I didn't really want to start spending 5 figures to dig fibre into a rented residential property.
what I am getting at is this, the village I live in was never going to get FTTC (or anything else for that matter) so we as a village went to openreach and paid for them to run FTTC to the village (ie, new 288 line FTTC cab and fibre run etc), total bill was just under £15K.
now, way I see it, if you're only 1/2 mile off the roadside, BT cannot be that far away, (we were 5 miles from nearest town).
it is far from easy to do this stuff as BT are simply not organised to be able to deal with this stuff, it took us almost 4 months to find the right person in BT corporate to deal with, but 12 months later we got it completed and went from ADSL MAX (~5M) to FTTC @76M.
Scuffers said:
problem is your BT person is looking at this the wrong way, you really need to talk to Openreach (as opposed to BT retail).
what I am getting at is this, the village I live in was never going to get FTTC (or anything else for that matter) so we as a village went to openreach and paid for them to run FTTC to the village (ie, new 288 line FTTC cab and fibre run etc), total bill was just under £15K.
now, way I see it, if you're only 1/2 mile off the roadside, BT cannot be that far away, (we were 5 miles from nearest town).
it is far from easy to do this stuff as BT are simply not organised to be able to deal with this stuff, it took us almost 4 months to find the right person in BT corporate to deal with, but 12 months later we got it completed and went from ADSL MAX (~5M) to FTTC @76M.
To clarify, this is a business leased line order and I'm dealing with an Openreach surveyor armed with detailed plans of the area who has physically surveyed routes and looked at the options. However everything they do seems to cost a boat load of money - the guys up at B4RN could probably lay the fibre to the nearest Openreach box for £10 and a crate of wine thrown to the farmer.what I am getting at is this, the village I live in was never going to get FTTC (or anything else for that matter) so we as a village went to openreach and paid for them to run FTTC to the village (ie, new 288 line FTTC cab and fibre run etc), total bill was just under £15K.
now, way I see it, if you're only 1/2 mile off the roadside, BT cannot be that far away, (we were 5 miles from nearest town).
it is far from easy to do this stuff as BT are simply not organised to be able to deal with this stuff, it took us almost 4 months to find the right person in BT corporate to deal with, but 12 months later we got it completed and went from ADSL MAX (~5M) to FTTC @76M.
I'm already on FTTC but am about 2 miles from the cabinet on presumably very old copper. I had a wireless service providing 30/30Mbps until about 6 months ago when line of sight became obstructed.
theboss said:
To clarify, this is a business leased line order and I'm dealing with an Openreach surveyor armed with detailed plans of the area who has physically surveyed routes and looked at the options. However everything they do seems to cost a boat load of money - the guys up at B4RN could probably lay the fibre to the nearest Openreach box for £10 and a crate of wine thrown to the farmer.
I'm already on FTTC but am about 2 miles from the cabinet on presumably very old copper. I had a wireless service providing 30/30Mbps until about 6 months ago when line of sight became obstructed.
if the FTTC cab is that close then so is a fibre distribution node?I'm already on FTTC but am about 2 miles from the cabinet on presumably very old copper. I had a wireless service providing 30/30Mbps until about 6 months ago when line of sight became obstructed.
2 miles of fibre costs bugger all (relatively), sounds more like you have the issue of BT stupidity on running any service into a new building.
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