Firefox

[PetrolTed]

5% of PHers now use Firefox

Figures for last week of October...

Browser Hits Visitors % of Total Visitors
1 Internet Explorer 6.x 11,329,548 177,717 72.20%
2 Internet Explorer 5.x 1,143,466 21,135 8.59%
3 Firefox 523,646 12,344 5.01%
4 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible 39,605 10,652 4.33%
5 Mozilla/3.01 (compatible 104,354 4,712 1.91%
6 Safari 195,529 4,164 1.69%
7 Opera 174,833 2,713 1.10%
8 Mozilla 79,615 2,257 0.92%
9 Netscape 7.x 78,477 2,206 0.90%
10 MSProxy/2.0 12,776 1,761 0.72%
11 Others 49,745 1,751 0.71%
12 Netscape 4.x 5,998 336 0.14%
13 Internet Explorer 4.x 13,076 333 0.14%
14 Avant Browser (www.avantbrowser.com) 595 297 0.12%
15 Moozilla 3,231 270 0.11%
16 Gecko) 3,457 246 0.10%
17 Firebird 16,569 232 0.09%
18 Gecko/20020924 AOL/7.0 1,388 227 0.09%
19 Internet Explorer 3.x 2,021 208 0.08%
20 Konqueror 5,297 205 0.08%
21 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; BorderManager 3.0) 4,513 136 0.06%
22 Jetbot/1.0 157 129 0.05%
23 Gecko/20021112 CS 2000 7.0/7.0 238 119 0.05%
24 Netscape 6.x 3,466 101 0.04%
25 Galeon 4,681 83 0.03%
26 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; Lotus-Notes/5.0; Windows-NT) 744 79 0.03%
27 MSN TV (WebTV) 494 78 0.03%
28 Mozilla/3.0 (compatible) 432 77 0.03%
29 Netscape 5.x 6,764 66 0.03%
30 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; Lotus-Notes/6.0; Windows-NT) 736 64 0.03%
31 Gecko/20040913 Thunderbird/0.8 504 48 0.02%
32 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; Win32; WinHttp.WinHttpRequest.5) 170 48 0.02%
33 Mozilla/3.01 (compatible; NPT 0.0 beta) 80 37 0.02%
34 CFNetwork/1.1 481 37 0.02%
35 Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 1,803 36 0.01%
36 Gecko/20040517 Camino/0.8b 1,834 35 0.01%
37 BlackBerry7230/3.7.1 306 30 0.01%
38 NG/2.0 1,665 29 0.01%
39 Netscape 3.x 337 28 0.01%
40 UCmore 27 27 0.01%
41 libwww-perl/5.68 35 24 0.01%
42 Gecko/20040825 Camino/0.8.1 1,131 22 0.01%
43 Wget 43 22 0.01%
44 Java/1.4.2_01 42 22 0.01%
45 Java/1.4.1_02 1,162 20 0.01%
46 OmniWeb 1,098 19 0.01%
47 IEXPLORE.EXE 23 18 0.01%
48 WJHRO/1.0 (WorldPay Java HTTP Request Object) 21 17 0.01%
49 Gecko/20040623 Camino/0.8 664 17 0.01%
50 NextGenSearchBot 1 (for information visit www.eliyon.com/NextGenSearchBot) 603 16 0.01%
Subtotal 13,817,480 245,250 99.63%
Total 13,926,191 246,152 100.00%

[_dobbo_]

I'm not surprised - I tell everyone to dump IE... And am personally responsible for at least three pistonheaders switching over!

It seems even microsoft's own news service is saying dump IE in favour of firefox!!

clickety click

[Don]

IE (v6 alone) 72%

Over 80% if you count old'n'crap versions. I doubt if old Bill is very worried.

All the same - some competition is a very healthy thing.

>> Edited by Don on Tuesday 23 November 19:32

[_dobbo_]

but I bet there was a time when it said:

Netscape 90%
Internet explorer 2 4%

And Netscape were thinking "Nothing to worry about there..."

[Don]

_dobbo_ said:

but I bet there was a time when it said: Netscape 90% Internet explorer 2 4% And Netscape were thinking "Nothing to worry about there..."

Fair point: but Netscape didn't own the o/s. That and Microsoft has a long and venerable history of taking other people's ideas and doing them better (eventually)! Seen it time and again. Consider Google. If I was the owners - I'd be selling shares right now...

[BrianTheYank]

Don said:

_dobbo_ said: but I bet there was a time when it said: Netscape 90% Internet explorer 2 4% And Netscape were thinking "Nothing to worry about there..." Fair point: but Netscape didn't own the o/s. That and Microsoft has a long and venerable history of taking other people's ideas and doing them better (eventually)! Seen it time and again. Consider Google. If I was the owners - I'd be selling shares right now...

didnt they recently go public and start selling shares? Could have sworn I read it somewhere.

and to stay on topic, firefox > IE

[beano500]

Wow - I know notalot about Firefox, but I've just tried a download and a fiddle. It doesn't half seem fast...

...or is it just me?

Any downsides of switching to it?

[BrianTheYank]

Ive noticed that its actually faster then IE. Prob cause mine was soo fecked up, but thats a different story. Try defragging after you install it to make it run faster.

[Don]

beano500 said:

Any downsides of switching to it?

Nope. And you can run it alongside IE. So if you prefer it for general web browsing go ahead.

[.Mark]

The only problem I have with Firefox is the amount of time it takes to open once I have clicked the icon - it seems an age. Everything else opens super quick - any ideas out there?

[beano500]

Well I found my first problem when I tried to buy a lottery ticket!

Mine takes a little while to start up, but then I've loaded it on a removable hard drive on a USB1 connection at the moment while I am building my new box....

[pdV6]

.Mark said:

The only problem I have with Firefox is the amount of time it takes to open once I have clicked the icon - it seems an age. Everything else opens super quick - any ideas out there?

Same here.

The fix is to open it in the morning, stick PH in a tab and leave it open all day!

[.Mark]

pdV6 said:

Same here. The fix is to open it in the morning, stick PH in a tab and leave it open all day!

[trooper1212]

PetrolTed said:

5% of PHers now use Firefox 49 Gecko/20040623 Camino/0.8 664 17 0.01%

Oooh, that's me at home!
It's nice to be exclusive

[Bodo]

PetrolTed said:

17 Firebird 16,569 232 0.09% ... 20 Konqueror 5,297 205 0.08%

I had my share in these figures

[docevi1]

.Mark said:

The only problem I have with Firefox is the amount of time it takes to open once I have clicked the icon - it seems an age. Everything else opens super quick - any ideas out there?

Mine was desperatly slow on my old machine to start up, same with Thunderbird.

I've upgraded quite significantly from a 1.4Tbird to a 3500 64Bit jobie and it opens with ease now, much faster than IE... I've re-installed windows and stuff but I reckon it needs a fair bit of processing power to get itself into gear as once there it flies.

[mrwomble]

beano500 said:

Any downsides of switching to it?

Rendering can occasionally be a bit dodgy, although I rather suspect that's the fault of the site trying to be compliant with IE rather than with W3C specs. As others say, it takes ages to start up (and also if it's been minimised for a while). Flash can also be a bit hit and miss - although with the 'ieview' extension it's a matter of two clicks to open the offending page in IE so it's not exactly a big deal.

The best feature for me is the Adblock extension...far outweighs any of the other niggles. It's just fab - no more waiting around for doubleclick.net or whatever to load up. Simply fantastic!

[Mr E]

If you look closely, IE opens a window pretty quickly, but then continues to drive away in the background.

I also suspect because IE is embedded in the OS, an awful lot of libs and the like are preloaded with the OS.

Firefox here. IE for the very occasional site that doesn't work with it.

[andygo]

I uninstalled firefox the other day. It ttok ages to laod up all my facourites before I could seem to do anything quickly. Also, I couldn't get it to have a default pane that showed my favourites.

Basically, I suppose I couldn't be arsed to learn a new bit of software and its idiosyncrasies. (Is that spelt right?)

[beano500]

andygo said:

Basically, I suppose I couldn't be arsed to learn a new bit of software and its idiosyncrasies. (Is that spelt right?)

Some say "arsed" some say "assed" - oops, sorry, wrong thread.....