RIP Blu-Ray?
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qube_TA

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Reading this:www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=67341

Sony have postponed their PS3 console until March, and stopped supplying parts to 3rd party companies as they're struggling to make the laser diodes for the blu-ray drives.

Looks like the Xbox 360 and HD-DVD will be competition free until well into 2007.

I reckon that Blu-Ray is dead in the water now.



alexkp

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271 months

Wednesday 6th September 2006
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qube_TA said:

I reckon that Blu-Ray is dead in the water now.





I don't.

Blu-Ray will be essential for all the owners of HDTV sets to watch High Def recordings and pre-recorded films.

It will take a couple of years to catch on and bed in (prices fall etc), like DVD did, but will then become the norm.

scorp

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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anonymous said:
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HD-DVD is virtually the same.

Plotloss

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297 months

Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Dont write off the might that is Sony.

Remember in addition to having a vested interest in the format war they also own a LOT of content.

scorp

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
Dont write off the might that is Sony.

Remember in addition to having a vested interest in the format war they also own a LOT of content.


Aren't they in money troubles of late? Never have been a fan of anything from Sony. Pretentious overpriced pap

petrol_noggin

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247 months

Wednesday 6th September 2006
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qube_TA said:
Reading this:www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=67341

Sony have postponed their PS3 console until March, and stopped supplying parts to 3rd party companies as they're struggling to make the laser diodes for the blu-ray drives.

Looks like the Xbox 360 and HD-DVD will be competition free until well into 2007.

I reckon that Blu-Ray is dead in the water now.





It's only been postponed until March in Europe, the largest problem lies in supply, from what I've been told, only 100k will be distributed in Japan, and 5x that figure in the US this November, not exactly widespread.

alexkp

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271 months

Wednesday 6th September 2006
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scorp said:
Plotloss said:
Dont write off the might that is Sony.

Remember in addition to having a vested interest in the format war they also own a LOT of content.


Aren't they in money troubles of late? Never have been a fan of anything from Sony. Pretentious overpriced pap



Yeah - you stick with the high end Matsui and Hinari stuff.... hehe

wanty1974

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Wasn't Betamax a Sony format? hehe

First-to-market does much better in the majority of cases.

wolves_wanderer

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
Dont write off the might that is Sony.

Remember in addition to having a vested interest in the format war they also own a LOT of content.
Betamax, Minidisc, UMD...

scorp

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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anonymous said:
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hehe
I didn't mean the high end stuff, which hardly anyone can afford.

Plotloss

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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wolves_wanderer said:
Plotloss said:
Dont write off the might that is Sony.

Remember in addition to having a vested interest in the format war they also own a LOT of content.
Betamax, Minidisc, UMD...


Betamax is still used by just about every video production company in the world. Almost everything apart from large format cinema release is shot on Betacams

MiniDisc was only a short release format and still has specialist uses.

UMD has taken off...

GingerNinja

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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qube_TA said:
Reading this:www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=67341


Looks like the Xbox 360 and HD-DVD will be competition free until well into 2007.




..that's only in Europe. Release date still this year for US & Japan.

qube_TA

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Why was the thread moved when it was about the future of Blu-Ray DVD rather than specifically a games console?



I think that by the time Sony gets its' act together HD-DVD will be established sufficiently to make it the market winner.

Probably the availability of software will be the real issue in the future.

I've got about 900 DVD's and should be getting a HD Plasma TV in January, don't fancy buying all those films again, it will be further frustrating if some of them are only available on HD-DVD and others on Blu-Ray, there's a similar problem with DVD-A/SACD software which is why I had to buy a player that could do both.

M.


Plotloss

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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qube, I've moved it to Computers and Stuff, best place for it really.

Plotloss

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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SACD and DVD-A are slightly different in that they both carry multichannel audio but DVD-A carries more of it so is technically superior.

Theres rows over both HD Disc formats and the adoption of various suspect content provisioning systems like ACR which is bollox really, I dont think the market will pin its flag to a mast for a good few years yet.

wolves_wanderer

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
wolves_wanderer said:
Plotloss said:
Dont write off the might that is Sony.

Remember in addition to having a vested interest in the format war they also own a LOT of content.
Betamax, Minidisc, UMD...


Betamax is still used by just about every video production company in the world. Almost everything apart from large format cinema release is shot on Betacams

MiniDisc was only a short release format and still has specialist uses.

UMD has taken off...
Admittedly Betamax is still used widely but not directly in the home, the same with MiniDisc. I would also contest that UMD has really taken off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStat

wikipedia said:
As of March 2006 at least two studios, Universal and Image Entertainment have stopped support, and others including Paramount, 20th Century Fox and Buena Vista are reconsidering their strategy for the format. Some observers note that having released too many movies in a short period of time saturated the market, that the announcement of iPod Video was unfavorable to the format, and that users prefer "ripping content and sticking it onto the device" instead of buying UMD movies.[8]

In an April 12, 2006 article on the website The Digital Bits, it was revealed that Warner Home Video has quietly cancelled their upcoming UMD Video titles.[9] Warner Home Video joins Universal, Paramount, and Image Entertainment as the companies that have dropped support for the UMD Video format.


Whenever Sony goes head to head in a format war they seem to make the same old mistake, not licensing technology and trying to maintain a stranglehold on the whole format from players to media.

scorp

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
UMD has taken off...

uh, I thought most retailers stopped carrying UMD movies now?

Plotloss

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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My point is that blu-ray is by no means dead, its got a larger per disc capacity than hd-dvd and is underpinned by a massive amount of content which Sony themselves own.

Look at the names endorsing Blu Ray

Dell, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Mitsubishi Electric, Panasonic/JVC (Matsushita Electric), Pioneer, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson.

Content wise in addition to obvious backing from Sony-affiliated movie studios Sony Pictures Entertainment and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, the Walt Disney Company and its home-video division Buena Vista Entertainment offered its non-exclusive endorsement of Blu-Ray in December 2004. In addition, video gaming powerhouse Electronic Arts, along with Vivendi Universal Games, both came out for Blu-Ray at the 2005 International CES in January.

Whereas HD-DVD is Tosh, NEC, Sanyo and Thomson who appear to be hedging their bets.

Content wise Paramount, Warner and Universal Pictures have favoured HD-DVD

My professional advice in light of this to my customers remains to be wait and see what happens, I dont think this is going to be an easy win for either side.

scorp

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Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
My professional advice in light of this to my customers remains to be wait and see what happens, I dont think this is going to be an easy win for either side.


Good advice.

thepassenger

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262 months

Wednesday 6th September 2006
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Just watched on the evening news about this; I'm not sure the reporters quite understand the market for the PS3 and XB360. Having said that it was quite funny to watch the reaction of the kids they interviewed.