Sublime Pandamonium II
Discussion
Just a heads up from the magazine for the readers and a "get your arse in gear" for me (noticed a little progress this month?). There's always a "friendly" rivalry between the bought and built teams. I prefer to build because getting the car there is as much of an achievement as being competitive. If I had £999 cash readily available I'd do a Brewsters Millions-esque build thread starting one week before the event, buy, lighten, tune, race.
One of the things I love about the £999 Challenge is due to the budget a the concept of thinking outside of the box for solutions to problems I wouldn't have if I wasn't on a budget in the first place. I tend to smash the box up, burn it and use the charcoal to filter crazy juice (thus I'm messing about with a Panda instead of buying something and making it quicker).
I can't afford to go out and spend £30+ on a battery tray to relocate the battery where I want it so...
...with a couple of small plates and two links from my engine hoist chain...
...I've fabricated a couple of...
...floor mounted hoops...
...for the battery clamp to hook on to.
Now do I drill and bolt those in place or weld them?
One of the things I love about the £999 Challenge is due to the budget a the concept of thinking outside of the box for solutions to problems I wouldn't have if I wasn't on a budget in the first place. I tend to smash the box up, burn it and use the charcoal to filter crazy juice (thus I'm messing about with a Panda instead of buying something and making it quicker).
I can't afford to go out and spend £30+ on a battery tray to relocate the battery where I want it so...
...with a couple of small plates and two links from my engine hoist chain...
...I've fabricated a couple of...
...floor mounted hoops...
...for the battery clamp to hook on to.
Now do I drill and bolt those in place or weld them?
Some British breakers want £30 for a used bare headlight plus £10 postage...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151029842741?ssPageName=...
Hmmmm for an extra fiver postage I've bought this...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400411072389?ssPageName=...
...complete, brand new, headlight and indicator unit with bulbs.
When you consider new indicator lenses and bulbs to go with the second hand units would add at least £15 to each side it works out cheaper to buy from the source. Result.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151029842741?ssPageName=...
advert said:
PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE BUYING THE INDICATOR LENS COVER
Hmmmm for an extra fiver postage I've bought this...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400411072389?ssPageName=...
...complete, brand new, headlight and indicator unit with bulbs.
When you consider new indicator lenses and bulbs to go with the second hand units would add at least £15 to each side it works out cheaper to buy from the source. Result.
My Italian eBay guy has given me some food for thought...
eBay said:
Rob,lets talk about shipping cost for 1 windscreen!
By poste italiane Euro 50,00 ------ delivery around 10/12 working days
By UPS shipping cost Euro 75,00 --------- i guess delivery is around 4/5 working days (we will see with headlamp)
The price you see,is with a good (good) packaging,glass is glass))
White windscreen Euro 47,00 x 1 pcs
Green windscreen Euro 52,00 x 1 pcs
Ciaoooo and grazie,Gian Luca
R.Auto iN_Store
£82.12 delivered from Italy. Funny how Autoglass wanted £244 +VAT. By poste italiane Euro 50,00 ------ delivery around 10/12 working days
By UPS shipping cost Euro 75,00 --------- i guess delivery is around 4/5 working days (we will see with headlamp)
The price you see,is with a good (good) packaging,glass is glass))
White windscreen Euro 47,00 x 1 pcs
Green windscreen Euro 52,00 x 1 pcs
Ciaoooo and grazie,Gian Luca
R.Auto iN_Store
Edited by Liquid Knight on Wednesday 8th May 14:57
The Italian guys have delivered again.
I can't recommend them highly enough so check out the online store yourselves...
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/R-Auto-In-s-n-c-Autoforni...
...I'll certainly use them again.
Right i anticipate getting shot down in flames here, but what are you doing to that panda and what are you trying to achieve for £999, some sort of hill climb special is what appears to be evolving?
I am genuinely interested, when i was at uni, with a massively broken Y10 Turbo in one hand and £250 in the other i bought a Panda Bianca 1.0 Fire with the twin rolly back roofs like yours, then set about swapping all the bits that worked from the Y to the panda (who was called Amanda)
From memory i swapped (over the course of a few weekends):-
The seats
the steering wheel
the front suspension including the ARB and rear springs and dampers
the wheels which were Uno Turbo
The engine so that was an 899cc turbo version of the 1300 from the Uno Turbo
the 5 speed box
The front and rear discs, which were non standard on the back and Intergrale twin pot brembo's on the front
The rest i left the same including the front doors which were basically all filler from the bottom crease down.
Made for an awful lot of fun as it weighed nothing. In hindsight i should have sealed the Y up and restored it now but there you go, sold it to a mate when it failed its MOT for alot of rot, he cut the roof off and used it as his farm hack.
Made for an awful lot of fun!
I am genuinely interested, when i was at uni, with a massively broken Y10 Turbo in one hand and £250 in the other i bought a Panda Bianca 1.0 Fire with the twin rolly back roofs like yours, then set about swapping all the bits that worked from the Y to the panda (who was called Amanda)
From memory i swapped (over the course of a few weekends):-
The seats
the steering wheel
the front suspension including the ARB and rear springs and dampers
the wheels which were Uno Turbo
The engine so that was an 899cc turbo version of the 1300 from the Uno Turbo
the 5 speed box
The front and rear discs, which were non standard on the back and Intergrale twin pot brembo's on the front
The rest i left the same including the front doors which were basically all filler from the bottom crease down.
Made for an awful lot of fun as it weighed nothing. In hindsight i should have sealed the Y up and restored it now but there you go, sold it to a mate when it failed its MOT for alot of rot, he cut the roof off and used it as his farm hack.
Made for an awful lot of fun!
The Practical Performance Car magazine £999 Challenge in an annual event held at Santa Pod. This year on July 6th. As the name suggests you are allowed £999 to buy or build a car that will cover the quarter mile and short handling course as quickly as possible. A combination of the two best times will be your end result. It cost £50 to enter and the only stipulations the budget and the cars must have a valid M.O.T.
Find out more on the PPC website...
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/
...check the other runners and riders on the forum...
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/
...or the PPC Facebook page...
https://www.facebook.com/PPCmag?fref=ts
I did the Y10 Turbo conversion with my first Panda, when that engine blew up I swapped it for a 1301 Uno Turbo and later bought a Lancia Delta Hf engine to go in there but fitted it to an X-1/9 instead. I sold the Panda to chap from Canvey Island the X-1/9 was doing the Belgian Rally circuit a few years ago and I think it's in storage now. Since the demise of the FrankenFiat engine I haven't got a replacement as yet for Guff II and am looking at various options. FTO V6's mostly.
Find out more on the PPC website...
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/
...check the other runners and riders on the forum...
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/
...or the PPC Facebook page...
https://www.facebook.com/PPCmag?fref=ts
I did the Y10 Turbo conversion with my first Panda, when that engine blew up I swapped it for a 1301 Uno Turbo and later bought a Lancia Delta Hf engine to go in there but fitted it to an X-1/9 instead. I sold the Panda to chap from Canvey Island the X-1/9 was doing the Belgian Rally circuit a few years ago and I think it's in storage now. Since the demise of the FrankenFiat engine I haven't got a replacement as yet for Guff II and am looking at various options. FTO V6's mostly.
Awesome, I will follow this thread!
I always fancied making a pandagrale, 4x4 panda, uno turbo engine, or even better cinq sporting engine with the full vanaken bore out to 1300 and turbo conversion (which i had on my cinq sporting) and nitros, brakes and suspension from a punto turbo and some bigger boots on some sparco terra's and it would be pretty brutal and comdeic to look at!
Even went so far as to looking at a mint LHD one in Holland when i was over there with work....there however the dream ended
I always fancied making a pandagrale, 4x4 panda, uno turbo engine, or even better cinq sporting engine with the full vanaken bore out to 1300 and turbo conversion (which i had on my cinq sporting) and nitros, brakes and suspension from a punto turbo and some bigger boots on some sparco terra's and it would be pretty brutal and comdeic to look at!
Even went so far as to looking at a mint LHD one in Holland when i was over there with work....there however the dream ended
The best you can do is a Y10 turbo on a MkI (965cc) Panda 4x4. The Mk II's (999cc) transfer boxes were made of toffee and can barely take standard tuning let alone something special. There are a couple of MkII's with 1242 FIRE engine's but anything more than a Punto 75 with a single carb' and you sacrifice reliability.
Liquid Knight said:
The best you can do is a Y10 turbo on a MkI (965cc) Panda 4x4. The Mk II's (999cc) transfer boxes were made of toffee and can barely take standard tuning let alone something special. There are a couple of MkII's with 1242 FIRE engine's but anything more than a Punto 75 with a single carb' and you sacrifice reliability.
Today Ladies and Gentlemen a long term dream of mine has been smashed to pieces by Liquid Night, never will a Pandagrale ever exist ..... 
Mr2Mike said:
Liquid Knight said:
I haven't got a replacement as yet for Guff II and am looking at various options. FTO V6's mostly.
No chance of wedging a 16v Fiat Coupe Turbo lump in I suppose? 
Mid-minted Coupe 16V Turbo on an X-1/9 subframe would be better. Noisy but at least when I spin backward into stuff I'll have the engine as a bumper. Mini-Delta S2.
Liquid Knight said:
Every possibility, but they weigh a shed load and the car would be like a spinning top with the front axle as a pivot. Like the chap who put an Almera GTi engine in a Micra, bloody rapid over a quarter mile but absolutely crap in you even thought about going round a corner.
Mid-minted Coupe 16V Turbo on an X-1/9 subframe would be better. Noisy but at least when I spin backward into stuff I'll have the engine as a bumper. Mini-Delta S2.
Punto Turbo engine probably fits...no?Mid-minted Coupe 16V Turbo on an X-1/9 subframe would be better. Noisy but at least when I spin backward into stuff I'll have the engine as a bumper. Mini-Delta S2.
Turn the boost up and it must be worth 150BHP easy?
big_boz said:
Punto Turbo engine probably fits...no?
Turn the boost up and it must be worth 150BHP easy?
I only have £999 even ropy or write off Punto Gt's sell for more than the budget would allow. Complicated phase two Uno piggy back ecu and stupid immobiliser. A cast iron block that weighs as much as a FIRE engine and gearbox combined. Turn the boost up and it must be worth 150BHP easy?
What I'm looking for (I'll be fitting a FIRE engine of some kind to get me to the event and mule it from there) is something lightweight, powerful (at least 180-200bhp), reliable and can be used on the road without annoying my neighbors (so four pot bike engines are out).
The FTO V6 is nice and compact with 200+bhp depending on spec'. Sadly manual versions are expensive and as I have two legs I wouldn't consider an auto. I've driven a couple and in the 1400Kg FTO they're pretty quick. 14.3 seconds at 103mph over a quarter and touchin 145mph flat out. In a 700Kg Panda it would be potentially awesome.
Insomnia + Cider + eBay =
Perfect fit, just need a sensible track to test it with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRGhAitqRo
Perfect fit, just need a sensible track to test it with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRGhAitqRo
Liquid Knight said:
Insomnia + Cider + eBay =
Perfect fit, just need a sensible track to test it with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRGhAitqRo
First sight I thought that was for target practice after a few beers........but if you want a good track to test it, why not Snetterton? The new 300 circuit is a blast......Perfect fit, just need a sensible track to test it with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRGhAitqRo
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