Aftermarket EMS - any with an open architecture?

Aftermarket EMS - any with an open architecture?

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anonymous-user

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55 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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My track car runs an old Motec M8 ECU, which has been good, but it is now v. old and i have all sorts of interface 'bodges' to make it run properly. Does anyone know if any of the aftermarket EMS suppliers offer an "open architecture" that enables one to write your own strategy etc?

(I'd like to move to a "torque based" system, so that i can accurately map/match my transmission controller to the engine)

stevesingo

4,858 posts

223 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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You could try asking here...

http://www.efi101.com/forum/


Jonesy23

4,650 posts

137 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I've yet to see one. The only truly open systems tend to be the DIY ones and I'm not sure they'd offer the level of features or design you're after.

I'm also not sure if there's any readily available 'generic' development hardware available? I've seen boards but not on a open commercial basis.

Possibly the way forward would be to talk to one of the aftermarket suppliers and see what you can get on a direct basis? Someone like GEMS maybe? Buy the commercial product and get 'dev' access to the software under NDA?

Certainly in the past I've found I could get progress talking to the engineering teams (as they tend to be quite small) and if you're someone with knowledge/experience they can deal with on a straightforward basis that never hurts; for example in one case I fixed a couple of bugs that were causing problems (having offered free engineering resource) and got some extra features added in return (having supplied an implementation).

Vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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We have done it for customers before...

stevieturbo

17,269 posts

248 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Max_Torque said:
My track car runs an old Motec M8 ECU, which has been good, but it is now v. old and i have all sorts of interface 'bodges' to make it run properly. Does anyone know if any of the aftermarket EMS suppliers offer an "open architecture" that enables one to write your own strategy etc?

(I'd like to move to a "torque based" system, so that i can accurately map/match my transmission controller to the engine)
I'm sure that given your knowledge, if you approached some of the smaller brands, they might be more accommodating than the likes of the big names.

I'm sure Charlie/Vixpy in the post above will be in touch re Syvecs.

Or you could maybe try Andy from Adaptronic. His e1280s seems to be very versatile, and he would be very approachable I'm sure.

Or...

I'm sure you could list more features than anyone lol

http://passionford.com/forum/general-car-related-d...

anonymous-user

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55 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Effectively i'd be talking about supply of the "low level" code in pre-compiled Object files, so that the basic engine mechanics and I/O scheduling is already written, and maybe some basic fuel / spark scheduling, leaving me to write (in C) the higher level stuff?

Richyvrlimited

1,826 posts

164 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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I'm positive someone with your knowledge would be welcomed to the MegaSquirt scene.

the current MSIII is becoming a very capable ECU, LTFT has just been added to the latest beta firmware. There is a hell of a lot of flash left for code, and as long as you articulate your ideas well the developers (one of whom is based in Birmingham UK), are very receptive to input and ideas.

The forum for MegaSquirt is www.MSExtra.com

anonymous-user

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55 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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What processor is MS3 running?

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

137 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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MS3 is apparently based on Freescale MC9S12X @ 50MHz.

AER

1,142 posts

271 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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Perhaps you could design one Mr Torque?

What about an Arduino-based ECU. Take a look at the Ardupilot MEGA which is an autopilot that uses a separate ATMega328 uC to handle the intensive real-time work and then the standard ATMega2560 for the control algorithms which can be written under the Arduino IDE.

The injection/ignition/encoder(s) sync could be handled by the 328 and then then number crunching by the 2560. I'll bet you could prototype it with the base APM hardware, driving high-impedance injectors and an old Bosch/Marelli/WHY ignition module.

Project for Sir...?

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

137 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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They don't do a great job of selling it but yes the Motec M1 does seem to be an option.

The only problem seems to be that if you want proper open access via Build it looks like you have to qualify as a 'system integrator'? Not clear what's involved but I expect part of it is £££'s.

And the entry cost isn't exactly low, the hardware is anything from £2500 to £4500 per unit and the development kit software seems to be ~£3500 between the license and the tool kit. Extra cost for enabling logging on top of that and I suspect at some point there will be sub licenses for advanced function blocks.

So nice concept and potentially does what's required but a friendly relationship with a supplier might be cheaper.

Richyvrlimited

1,826 posts

164 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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Crikey, that's an awful lot of money.

My MSIII cost a tenth of that, I'm sure they don't compare but still, yikes!

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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I have the bare bones of an EMS system prototyped actually, but not the time to finish/debug it! (I've used an quad core XMOS device (800Mhz "event driven") for the low level timing and mechanics of engine position determination, and an STMF4 32b processor (170Mhz) for the main strategy controller).

if there were a source for proven hardware/low level strategy that was availible then that would help make things quicker!

I'll take a look at the Motec M1 stuff, not something i had heard about before.

stevieturbo

17,269 posts

248 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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You could maybe try getting in touch with Lance at Pantera EFI.

He seems to to a huge amount of R&D as well as product manufacture, and has a range of ecu's

His website is piss poor though lol