Shocking footage - US Cops take down man...
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...for answering his door holding a screwdriver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aALArJP4rw
I'm usually one to say people in these circumstances usually deserve what they get, but this footage is just unbelievable. More info here:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Video-of-Deadly-D...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2999731/Ch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aALArJP4rw
I'm usually one to say people in these circumstances usually deserve what they get, but this footage is just unbelievable. More info here:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Video-of-Deadly-D...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2999731/Ch...
Dog Star said:
I'm the last person to every be considered anti-Police, liberal, wishy-washy etc. But that is, as far as I can tell, murder, pure and simple!
As am I, and I agree with you. The answer you're looking for is that the opposite of wishy-washy liberal is someone who believes in sensible laws that are vigorously enforced with tough penalties. Police brutality/murder doesn't fit into either camp.Good shoot he lunged.
What should they do let him stab them?
Don't want to get shot don't lung at a policeman with a weapon in your hand. Yes it's very sad and the guy had issues. But don't blame cops for protecting themselves.
What should they do let him stab them?
La Liga said:
The man's movement isn't quite captured at 00:25 as in, 'does he lunge forward at the second officer'?
Regardless of the threat or perception of the threat, one of them must have been able to draw their Taser rather than their sidearm.
Tazers don't always work.Regardless of the threat or perception of the threat, one of them must have been able to draw their Taser rather than their sidearm.
Don't want to get shot don't lung at a policeman with a weapon in your hand. Yes it's very sad and the guy had issues. But don't blame cops for protecting themselves.
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 18th March 09:25
Pesty said:
Tazers don't always work.
Don't want to get shot don't lung at a policeman with a weapon in your hand. Yes it's very sad and the guy had issues. But don't blame cops for protecting themselves.
I'm tending to agree with this, you never know what you are going to face over there (I assume), let a crazy guy take your eye out with a screwdriver, let him back off and pull a shotgun from behind the door etc.Don't want to get shot don't lung at a policeman with a weapon in your hand. Yes it's very sad and the guy had issues. But don't blame cops for protecting themselves.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 18th March 09:25
An armed officer/s tell you to drop your weapon/screwdriver/pants, you drop the item, end of.
loose cannon said:
I don't think they really should of shot him !
2 burly police against a man with a short screwdriver ! I think the tazers would of been quite ample
The yanks are far to gun ho, it's no wonder there having riots about police shootings,
Seems a bit of a stretch to call a screwdriver a lethal weapon deserving a lethal response. 2 burly police against a man with a short screwdriver ! I think the tazers would of been quite ample
The yanks are far to gun ho, it's no wonder there having riots about police shootings,
Why is it incompetence to not want to be stabbed by a screwdriver, so they should have had. A big fight with an armed strong guy?
Can case serious damag probably even kill you. He looked a big guy. Even his mum knew she was shouting too.
I realise I'll probably be in a monority if one here but that looks justified. A guy come at you with a weapon you shouldn't get on a big fight and get injured or even dead.
There are much much worse cop shooting videos out there. One resent one where a guy is stopped and asked for I'd and when he goes to get it they blast him.
No outrage from me over this one. So I'll be that guy in this thread.
If anything lets find out why a guy with issues isn't being looked after better. Was he just abandoned and left to the family?
Can case serious damag probably even kill you. He looked a big guy. Even his mum knew she was shouting too.
I realise I'll probably be in a monority if one here but that looks justified. A guy come at you with a weapon you shouldn't get on a big fight and get injured or even dead.
There are much much worse cop shooting videos out there. One resent one where a guy is stopped and asked for I'd and when he goes to get it they blast him.
No outrage from me over this one. So I'll be that guy in this thread.
If anything lets find out why a guy with issues isn't being looked after better. Was he just abandoned and left to the family?
Lost soul said:
Pesty said:
Good shoot he lunged.
What should they do let him stab them?
He had a small screw driver , are they that incompetent that they do not hesitate to use deadly force against a minor threat !!!!What should they do let him stab them?
There is a World of difference between a bloke who looks far from agile and is carrying a small screwdriver (and there are two of you) and an unknown threat or someone waving a gun about.
Much has been written about shoot to kill and how there is no point in winging a suspect only to allow them to return fire. This is nothing like that sort of scenario. This is one of those many times when the officer chose to shoot to kill when one in the thigh would have been highly unlikely to have killed the suspect but would have stopped any possible attack.
The flip side is there is a video of a police officer who was called out to an incident, I think domestic violence, who gets there and finds the man outside his house quite calm, starts talking, quite calmly, and in the blink of an eye the man pulls out a gun and shoots the officer.
Usual story, don't want to get shot don't use weapons against the police.
I'd love to give any of the armchair critics on here a gun and a taser and give them two seconds to work out just how large the screwdriver being brandished by the angry guy lunging at you is.
Usual story, don't want to get shot don't use weapons against the police.
I'd love to give any of the armchair critics on here a gun and a taser and give them two seconds to work out just how large the screwdriver being brandished by the angry guy lunging at you is.
Rude-boy said:
Lost soul said:
Pesty said:
Good shoot he lunged.
What should they do let him stab them?
He had a small screw driver , are they that incompetent that they do not hesitate to use deadly force against a minor threat !!!!What should they do let him stab them?
There is a World of difference between a bloke who looks far from agile and is carrying a small screwdriver (and there are two of you) and an unknown threat or someone waving a gun about.
Much has been written about shoot to kill and how there is no point in winging a suspect only to allow them to return fire. This is nothing like that sort of scenario. This is one of those many times when the officer chose to shoot to kill when one in the thigh would have been highly unlikely to have killed the suspect but would have stopped any possible attack.
The guy with the screwdriver's body language was passive, he didn't look any more of a threat than anyone would while doing DIY.b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: The flip side is there is a video of a police officer who was called out to an incident, I think domestic violence, who gets there and finds the man outside his house quite calm, starts talking, quite calmly, and in the blink of an eye the man pulls out a gun and shoots the officer.
Usual story, don't want to get shot don't use weapons against the police.
I'd love to give any of the armchair critics on here a gun and a taser and give them two seconds to work out just how large the screwdriver being brandished by the angry guy lunging at you is.
I was just looking for that clip he was calm and showed no aggression. Cop was called Tyler Stewart.Usual story, don't want to get shot don't use weapons against the police.
I'd love to give any of the armchair critics on here a gun and a taser and give them two seconds to work out just how large the screwdriver being brandished by the angry guy lunging at you is.
We alSo have the possibility of a fight ending up rolling around on the floor and the guy grabbing one of their guns out of their holsters.
Lots of American cops get shot by their own guns.
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 18th March 09:49
I get what your saying but I'm pretty sure one could of had a tazer ready the other with his gun as a last resort
The situation could of been resolved without his death, they new there was going to be some issue with the guy
But I can only speculate as I was not there but it looked straight forward enough to me
The situation could of been resolved without his death, they new there was going to be some issue with the guy
But I can only speculate as I was not there but it looked straight forward enough to me
CoinSl0t said:
I'm tending to agree with this, you never know what you are going to face over there (I assume), let a crazy guy take your eye out with a screwdriver, let him back off and pull a shotgun from behind the door etc.
An armed officer/s tell you to drop your weapon/screwdriver/pants, you drop the item, end of.
Yes you do drop it. But that is what you or I would do and the canes are that our mental health is far ahead of most people who don't just drop the item. This is not the question though. Lumbering lummox with a small screwdriver and there are two of you there. No way should the police have used lethal force.An armed officer/s tell you to drop your weapon/screwdriver/pants, you drop the item, end of.
Remember that every single incident like this chips away at the support of officers and the protection in law that they have with regard to the ability to use lethal force. If officers can not be trusted to make the snap decisions and get them right the vast majority of the time then they risk losing the right to make those decisions or else we slip into the murky world of people coming to the conclusion that the Police are acting ultra vires and the world of pain that occurs when the populace has reached the conclusion that it can no longer trust their 'protectors'.
There will always be accidents and bad calls. The frequency of these though will determine the future and if too many are being made then it is time to reassess the tools in the armoury.
DId anyone see the one where they shot a homeless guy on the street. They were trying to strong arm him or something and there were a fair few cops vs just one guy. Apparently he was grabbing for the officers gun, though you could argue that as he was being grappled with, thats just where his hand happened to land. Anyway he got pumped full of lead.
Shoot first. Ask questions later. They can't fight back if they are dead. And if all your cop buddies are with you you have some first rate eye witnesses to say it wasn't your fault.
Shoot first. Ask questions later. They can't fight back if they are dead. And if all your cop buddies are with you you have some first rate eye witnesses to say it wasn't your fault.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 18th March 09:55
Rude-boy said:
There will always be accidents and bad calls. The frequency of these though will determine the future and if too many are being made then it is time to reassess the tools in the armoury.
The trouble in the states is that the frequency of these bad calls seems to be incredibly high Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff