Gas hob in kitchen with no external window
Discussion
We're selling our house at the moment and one thing that has been picked up during surveys etc is that we have a gas hob in the kitchen thst has no windows that go directly outside. Apparently this is a thing? We do have two patio doors and a double window in the room, but they open out into our conservatory.
The buyer has asked us to 'rectify' this before they consider exchange, but I have absolutely no idea what she thinks I'm going to do about it?! I'll happily take a hammer to the wall (once we've exchanged) and knock a brick out if it shuts her up, but other than that, what are we supposed to do?
The conservatory was built a few years after the hob was installed (5-ish years before we bought the place) so would have been fully compliant at the time, but I'm not sure when/if this regulation came into force and therefore if I can argue the toss that it's only non-compliant as the regs changed since it was done?
Will be speaking with the solicitors on Monday, but would be handy if any kindly gas man on here might be able to shed some light on this so I'm armed with some facts before I tell her to do one!
The buyer has asked us to 'rectify' this before they consider exchange, but I have absolutely no idea what she thinks I'm going to do about it?! I'll happily take a hammer to the wall (once we've exchanged) and knock a brick out if it shuts her up, but other than that, what are we supposed to do?
The conservatory was built a few years after the hob was installed (5-ish years before we bought the place) so would have been fully compliant at the time, but I'm not sure when/if this regulation came into force and therefore if I can argue the toss that it's only non-compliant as the regs changed since it was done?
Will be speaking with the solicitors on Monday, but would be handy if any kindly gas man on here might be able to shed some light on this so I'm armed with some facts before I tell her to do one!
It's always been a regulation that rooms over 10m3 (I think) must have an openable window to outside air.
Between 5-10m3 must have an openable window and 50cm2 permanent ventilation.
Below 5m3 is not permitted to have a hob/oven fitted.
Volumes may be out, reciting from memory!
I've been faced with this issue before and there is a way around it. You can get away with putting in an openable vent direct to outside air. Can't remember the exact requirements, but if you give the Gas Safe technical helpline a call, they'll give you the exact info.
Between 5-10m3 must have an openable window and 50cm2 permanent ventilation.
Below 5m3 is not permitted to have a hob/oven fitted.
Volumes may be out, reciting from memory!
I've been faced with this issue before and there is a way around it. You can get away with putting in an openable vent direct to outside air. Can't remember the exact requirements, but if you give the Gas Safe technical helpline a call, they'll give you the exact info.
You need 100cmq or openable window it's a very common problem coming across it more and more, easiest way round would be to get one of these drill through wall direct into kitchen.
http://www.fireplacestoreonline.com/air-vent-100cm...
You can get them from screwfix just got the picture to show you. It's a standard gas reg core vent with the correct free area.
Just make sure you fit the vent as is, because if you install a closable vent your be back to square one regarding gas regs.
http://www.fireplacestoreonline.com/air-vent-100cm...
You can get them from screwfix just got the picture to show you. It's a standard gas reg core vent with the correct free area.
Just make sure you fit the vent as is, because if you install a closable vent your be back to square one regarding gas regs.
You need 100cmq or openable window it's a very common problem coming across it more and more, easiest way round would be to get one of these drill through wall direct into kitchen.
http://www.fireplacestoreonline.com/air-vent-100cm...
You can get them from screwfix just got the picture to show you. It's a standard gas reg core vent with the correct free area.
Just make sure you fit the vent as is, because if you install a closable vent your be back to square one regarding gas regs.
http://www.fireplacestoreonline.com/air-vent-100cm...
You can get them from screwfix just got the picture to show you. It's a standard gas reg core vent with the correct free area.
Just make sure you fit the vent as is, because if you install a closable vent your be back to square one regarding gas regs.
http://cdn.cityandguilds.com/ProductDocuments/Buil...
I was nearly right! <5m3 is permitted, but requires 100cm2 of ventilation.
There is some info in the above link.
I was nearly right! <5m3 is permitted, but requires 100cm2 of ventilation.
There is some info in the above link.
Chrisgr31 said:
So we spend a lot of money putting in double glazing, cavity wall insulation etc then install a draughty vent which lots of people then cover up!
It's a flueless gas appliance, it needs a clean supply of air for combustion. Whilst the products of combustion aren't directly harmful (mostly carbon dioxide and water vapour), they can be if re-burnt. Cheers chaps. Was hoping it was a new reg so I could tell her to shove it 
.
Still think I'm going to advise her to lick my left one and send her a link to an electric hob at Currys! Bugs me more than anything that we're 8 weeks into the process and now she's pulling out the problem cards - the survey was done 6 weeks ago!
Anywho, thanks for the advice, exactly what I needed
. Still think I'm going to advise her to lick my left one and send her a link to an electric hob at Currys! Bugs me more than anything that we're 8 weeks into the process and now she's pulling out the problem cards - the survey was done 6 weeks ago!
Anywho, thanks for the advice, exactly what I needed
littlebasher said:
R1 Indy said:
Would it be just as easy/cheap to just fit the cheapest electric hob you can get your hands on? you can even get 13A ones if you don't have a 32A supply.
That's the way i'd go as well..problem solved!andy43 said:
uluru said:
We rented a house where they'd simply chopped 5 inches off the back door (which led into the conservatory) to get the boiler signed off!
Please do this! Dear Buyer, problem has now been rectified at our expense...All joking aside, would that actually achieve anything in terms of compliance? If the door led into the conservatory, it's still not opening directly outside? We have a sliding patio door that goes into the conservatory that hasn't been closed for 5+ years. No skin off my nose if it wasn't there at all, so I could whip that off and job jobbed?
Jonboy_t said:
andy43 said:
uluru said:
We rented a house where they'd simply chopped 5 inches off the back door (which led into the conservatory) to get the boiler signed off!
Please do this! Dear Buyer, problem has now been rectified at our expense...All joking aside, would that actually achieve anything in terms of compliance? If the door led into the conservatory, it's still not opening directly outside? We have a sliding patio door that goes into the conservatory that hasn't been closed for 5+ years. No skin off my nose if it wasn't there at all, so I could whip that off and job jobbed?
Rickyy said:
Jonboy_t said:
andy43 said:
uluru said:
We rented a house where they'd simply chopped 5 inches off the back door (which led into the conservatory) to get the boiler signed off!
Please do this! Dear Buyer, problem has now been rectified at our expense...All joking aside, would that actually achieve anything in terms of compliance? If the door led into the conservatory, it's still not opening directly outside? We have a sliding patio door that goes into the conservatory that hasn't been closed for 5+ years. No skin off my nose if it wasn't there at all, so I could whip that off and job jobbed?
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