Delay box in ET racing

Delay box in ET racing

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ribaric

Original Poster:

262 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Forgive the laziness but I'm sure many on here will know chapter and verse. Are they allowed in Pro ET and/or Super Pro?

Justin Stage

52 posts

151 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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No

ribaric

Original Poster:

262 posts

174 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Interesting! Some of the R/Ts this year are almost beyond human capability and consistently so, it makes you wonder. It must be difficult to police given they are so small and can easily be hidden away, even unplugged and removed in seconds.

hairyjester

60 posts

164 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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ribaric said:
Interesting! Some of the R/Ts this year are almost beyond human capability and consistently so, it makes you wonder. It must be difficult to police given they are so small and can easily be hidden away, even unplugged and removed in seconds.
Here at SPR and at SCR there's a random delay in the 1st amber coming on with the 2nd, 3rd and green coming on as normal, this means any delay box is rendered useless. We also have the plate on the tree to obscure the view of the other lane's lights.

dont know

70 posts

195 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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tut tut Dave gives the game away. try google for more. TOP BULB OSCILLATE (FULL TREE): This feature allows the track operator to set the computer into a mode that makes the top amber on the Christmas Tree never come on at the correct time. The second and third bulbs operate as they normally would, but any driver with a delay box trying to leave off of the top bulb will never be able to cut a consistent reaction time. This helps the track operator by eliminating the need to police cars for delay boxes in classes where no delay boxes are allowed. This is also a good deterrent to people trying to cheat.

hairyjester

60 posts

164 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Ahh the game was up ages ago :-)

Tet

1,196 posts

203 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Out of interest, how much variance is there in the start time? I've certainly never noticed a difference between the 1st to 2nd bulb and the 2nd to 3rd. I'm guessing it can't be more than something like 25ms.

NitroWars

661 posts

210 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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hairyjester said:
Here at SPR and at SCR there's a random delay in the 1st amber coming on with the 2nd, 3rd and green coming on as normal, this means any delay box is rendered useless. We also have the plate on the tree to obscure the view of the other lane's lights.
I would prefer the blinder to cover the red light and for the win light not to come on if there is a red light by the slower car in the ET classes.

Tet

1,196 posts

203 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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I would prefer the blinder not to exist at all, as was the case until a few years ago.

ribaric

Original Poster:

262 posts

174 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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Am I hearing here that the time gap between the top yellow and the 2nd yellow varies on a random basis?

The blinder and random "run the tree" delays make no difference to people using the top yellow as the trigger for their RT but if the time lapse from the top yellow and the green is variable then the game really is up. Is that the case though?

double trouble

43 posts

186 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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Always remember watching a big electronic,s bracket at Bradenton where they were hitting the tree SIX times, launching, THEN putting their visor down!!!!!!awsome, would love to try this on an unshielded tree,imagine trying that!

ribaric

Original Poster:

262 posts

174 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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How did they know which hit was the good one?

dont know

70 posts

195 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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The time between each amber is still 0.5 but it is the time that the top amber stays on which varys

prostang

127 posts

210 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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So why can't you set the delay box to start on second Amber then

ribaric

Original Poster:

262 posts

174 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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prostang said:
So why can't you set the delay box to start on second Amber then
It's physiology. Humans can react to a single stimulus much more consistently (in terms of time) than we can when 'choosing' a moment. With practice, you can train yourself to react to a single bulb coming on to be consistent within tiny margins of error (mathematically, "high Q" on a bell graph). When you start choosing your moment within a sequence, like with a sportsman tree, you can't do it so well. Hence the top yellow reaction coupled to an adjustable delay to the transbrake usually is better than picking your moment. It's Standard practice over the pond but it falls down if the top yellow stays on for varying periods.

Some people even put bits of tape on the windscreen to block out the middle yellow in order to "react" on the bottom yellow and then adjust the car's RT (or staging depth - not so good) to suit. It's much easier if you use a delay box for the adjustment but that's naughty.