RE: PHTV Clip - 911 Turbo S v GT-R v Hellcat

RE: PHTV Clip - 911 Turbo S v GT-R v Hellcat

Friday 9th October 2015

PHTV Clip - 911 Turbo S v GT-R v Hellcat

Possible break the internet drag race of online heroes in flat-out standing start shoot-out


Video: Porsche 911 Turbo S Vs Nissan GT-R Vs Hellcat Dodge Challenger Drag Race  

You know the 'no replacement for displacement' argument old-school muscle cars like the Hellcat represent? Here we put it to the test against two very much more high-tech heroes to see whether new-school tech like turbos and four-wheel drive can really can see off the shock and awe of 707hp of supercharged 6.2-litre V8. From Japan we have theNissan GT-R. And from Germany the Porsche 911 Turbo S. And quite a fight...

Watch the video here.

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WokkaWokka

Original Poster:

698 posts

138 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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No doubt the GTR is a great car apart from its chocolate gearbox but the 911, what a machine. I'm sure there is a video where a journalist does something like 50 launches back to back in the Turbo S and it doesn't skip a beat.

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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The king is dead!

Long live the King!!

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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WokkaWokka said:
No doubt the GTR is a great car apart from its chocolate gearbox but the 911, what a machine. I'm sure there is a video where a journalist does something like 50 launches back to back in the Turbo S and it doesn't skip a beat.
Yes you're correct, and that's what you pay for, imo...

Edited by s2000db on Friday 9th October 15:48

kambites

67,462 posts

220 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to do 50 launch control starts back-to-back... even a racing car wouldn't get that sort of abuse. Actually I'm not sure why anyone would want launch control in a road car at all.

JMF894

5,478 posts

154 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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I think a more realistic and relevant performance comparison here would be to do a rolling start from say 30 or 40mph then see how they compare. Against 4wd and launch control the Hellcat stands no chance off the line. Pretty pointless video for me.

Jimbo

A1GOY

1,521 posts

201 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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I met the chap and his Hellcat at a petrol station once. He seemed like a nice chap, though did feel the need to point out his car had more power than the one I was driving. Bit needless...

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Of the rolling start videos I have watch it's extremely close between the Hellcat and the GTR which makes the GTR even more impressive IMO. This video is pointless and not sure why there is even a comparison.

A rolling comparison would have been a good watch.

Goofnik

216 posts

139 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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WokkaWokka said:
No doubt the GTR is a great car apart from its chocolate gearbox but the 911, what a machine. I'm sure there is a video where a journalist does something like 50 launches back to back in the Turbo S and it doesn't skip a beat.
It was nutter Bill Caswell doing it on behalf of Road & Track. 911 Turbo S. 50 consecutive launch control starts. No issues. It consistently hit 60 within a very tight margin of each run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o

Porsche rates the PDK's clutches for either 2000 or 3000 launch control starts. I believe Nissan doesn't really ever want you doing more than 20 or 30 in a GT-R. 2 orders of magnitude difference. One of many reasons why the Porsche costs so much more money.

ikarl

3,730 posts

198 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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kambites said:
I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to do 50 launch control starts back-to-back... even a racing car wouldn't get that sort of abuse. Actually I'm not sure why anyone would want launch control in a road car at all.
Don't be ridiculous. How else can one possibly pull away quickly??? Pffft

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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kambites said:
I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to do 50 launch control starts back-to-back... even a racing car wouldn't get that sort of abuse. Actually I'm not sure why anyone would want launch control in a road car at all.
Don't be ridiculous. What would their owners bore people to death about in pubs/bars otherwise?

Edited by C70R on Friday 9th October 16:16

andburg

7,214 posts

168 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Would be great see a PH overtaking video in the style of the old 5th gear artic test but bigger and better

4th gear 30mph, get the go and change down mash throttle overtake a set object and get back in, real world performance test without being dull as dishwater

phil4

1,203 posts

237 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Unsure why the Hellcat was there, other than to demonstrate that against some really fast 4WD cars, you'll lose off the line.

Well, ably demonstrated, perhaps better to use it to demonstrate that with a rolling start things would be different.

GT2CS

657 posts

168 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Room for improvement.
At least give us the trap times and terminal speeds and maybe some 0 to terminal speed in 10mph increments.
Motor Trend seem to do it rather better.

burningdinos

122 posts

120 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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GT2CS said:
Room for improvement.
At least give us the trap times and terminal speeds and maybe some 0 to terminal speed in 10mph increments.
Motor Trend seem to do it rather better.
They're americans. They drag race even before they can walk driving

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

204 months

PH Reportery Lad

Friday 9th October 2015
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JMF894 said:
I think a more realistic and relevant performance comparison here would be to do a rolling start from say 30 or 40mph then see how they compare. Against 4wd and launch control the Hellcat stands no chance off the line. Pretty pointless video for me.

Jimbo
We wanted to but ran out of time! Hopefully on another occasion.


Matt

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

204 months

PH Reportery Lad

Friday 9th October 2015
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burningdinos said:
GT2CS said:
Room for improvement.
At least give us the trap times and terminal speeds and maybe some 0 to terminal speed in 10mph increments.
Motor Trend seem to do it rather better.
They're americans. They drag race even before they can walk driving
What he said! We're learning all the time with PHTV but speeds and times should be incorporated. We'll have to do it again, right?


Matt

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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PH TV available in Medium Definition biggrin

CS400

145 posts

110 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Goofnik said:
WokkaWokka said:
No doubt the GTR is a great car apart from its chocolate gearbox but the 911, what a machine. I'm sure there is a video where a journalist does something like 50 launches back to back in the Turbo S and it doesn't skip a beat.
It was nutter Bill Caswell doing it on behalf of Road & Track. 911 Turbo S. 50 consecutive launch control starts. No issues. It consistently hit 60 within a very tight margin of each run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o

Porsche rates the PDK's clutches for either 2000 or 3000 launch control starts. I believe Nissan doesn't really ever want you doing more than 20 or 30 in a GT-R. 2 orders of magnitude difference. One of many reasons why the Porsche costs so much more money.
When I was at MB world a while back I was told by one of the Silver Arrow & AMG drivers that Merc dont like the AMG models to be launched as the gearbox can only take 6-10 launches before it needs attention!

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Matt Bird said:
What he said! We're learning all the time with PHTV but speeds and times should be incorporated. We'll have to do it again, right?


Matt
So would it have beaten the 650S then?

ESOG

1,705 posts

157 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Uhm, I think it was pretty obvious before it even began that the Porsche was going to stomp the other two no sweat. And, atleast IMO, it was just as obvious the order to which they would finish as well as the Hellcat spinning its tires.

To echo another poster's comment, I must agree that this video and its contents was rather pointless.