PH Forza 6 Touring Cars championship

[ajprice]

I have the beginnings of a car setup and rules for a touring car championship, but after buying a load of cars and upgrading them, the PI and power limits aren't quite there. So I'll put what I've got as an idea for the PH massive to fine tune:

Having the FM5 BTCC as a starting point http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


Updated Regs 11/10/15

Race aero (adjustable front/rear, Forza or manufacturer adjustable aero is fine)
Race suspension
Race transmission geared to 160mph maximum top speed
Race tyres
Roll cage
2600lb minimum weight
265 max tyre width
18”, 19" or 20” wheels, lowest ride height and touring car/racing paint job for the looks
Max power 360bhp
Max PI A620
FWD, RWD or AWD
No engine, drive or aspiration conversions

Body styles: Saloons, hatchbacks, estates, hatch or saloon based coupes (no Nissan Silvia, BRZ/GT86 etc)


A few things I've picked up on from building up random cars:
• Mercedes 190E Evo II standard rear wing is adjustable aero, there's no Forza aero for it.
• Alfa 155 rear wings are all adjustable except Mattig, and look like the touring car wings, there's an Alfa adjustable front bumper too.
• VW Scirocco R also has VW adjustable aero
• Not all cars can fit 19" wheels, so thats why it's 18-20”.

An updated list of cars

Acura Integra
Acura RSX
Alfa Giulietta
Alfa 155
Audi RS2
Audi RS3 Sportback
Audi S3 Sedan
Audi S4 2004
Audi TT
BMW M235i
BMW 1M
BMW M3 1991
BMW M3 1997
BMW M3 2005
Dodge SRT4 ACR
Ford Focus ST 2013
Ford Focus RS 2009
Ford Focus RS 2003
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS500
Honda Civic Si 2014
Honda Civic Type R 2007
Honda Civic Type R 2004
Hyundai Veloster Turbo
Mazda 3 2010
Mercedes 190E Evo II
Peugeot 308GTi
Renault Megane RS250
Scion TC
Vauxhall Astra Tech Line
Vauxhall Astra VXR
VW Golf R 2010
VW Golf R 2014
VW Golf R32
VW Golf VR6 1998
VW Golf GTi 16v Mk2
VW Corrado
VW Scirocco R
Volvo 850
Volvo S60 Polestar


The last few I’m not sure on:

Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse: Technically they can fit the regs, and they have raced in US race series, but I don’t know much about them, are they saloon based (so ok for this) ?
Civic Type R 1997: I tried building one, its iffy for the 2600lb minimum, has anyone got one to fit the regs?
Honda Prelude Si - Its not saloon based (as far as I know its not Civic or Accord based is it?)
Toyota Celicas - They have been in rallying with Lancia, Mitsubishi and Subaru. In this or out, don't know why but I'm not sure?


Dismissed from the original list because they were rally cars, needed conversions, were RWD Japanese coupes or not saloon based.

Alfa GTV (with conversions)
Lancia Delta Integrale
All Mitsubishi Evo
Mitsubishi Galant
Nissan Silvia Spec R 2000
Nissan 240SX
Nissan Silvia Club K
All Subaru

Edited by ajprice on Saturday 17th October 13:11

[MrKipling43]

Woohoo! This looks excellent. I'm pretty excited about seeing what online is like on Forza (always played GT).

Gonna make me a car... And a SWEET livery!

I'll do a number board logo for PHTCC.

[ajprice]

The fuzzy bits still need tweaking, there are people on here who have done these before and know how to build cars and set the regs properly. All suggestions welcome, especially for FWD/RWD/AWD and conversions to make things level. Maybe FWD has a higher PI or something?

[MrKipling43]

I've done a PH logo for black and white background. Search for PH logo.

[stumpyalan]

ajprice said:

The fuzzy bits still need tweaking, there are people on here who have done these before and know how to build cars and set the regs properly. All suggestions welcome, especially for FWD/RWD/AWD and conversions to make things level. Maybe FWD has a higher PI or something?

I've just done two quick tune fwd megane and rwd 235 around brands short the fwd was a second quicker maybe i'm better tuning fwd than rwd have a go with the tunes. Put in phtcc and they will come up. Alan

[MrKipling43]

Can you limit power to adjust the PP in Forza or do you have to tune to the target?

[stumpyalan]

MrKipling43 said:

Can you limit power to adjust the PP in Forza or do you have to tune to the target?

I need too adjust my tunes too 360hp not 350hp, min weight 2600kg, max pi a650 with the starting regs for the base car. Alan

[ajprice]

Answering my own question mark about the Audi TT. The 2010 TT RS is a no go, the 2015 TTS is possible, but has standard 20" 255 tyres. Change the tyre rules to allow bigger and wider tyres?

Tyres 255 Max, 18-20" diameter

[AndyD360]

Is it possible to limit tyre width from the lobby settings? If not, it's probably easier to just scratch that one

[ajprice]

No idea on the lobby settings, I've always joined others, usually Great Cornholio / Evil Homer

[Tam_Mullen]

I'll build a car for this

GT Skene 93

[TheLuke]

Made a few cars.

My input: If i could suggest lowering the PI from A650 as a couple of cars are quite a few under that maxed out to the regulations, A625 would be better.

[LouD86]

How do I find you lot online? Haven't played FM6 online yet!

[AndyD360]

TheLuke said:

Made a few cars.

My input: If i could suggest lowering the PI from A650 as a couple of cars are quite a few under that maxed out to the regulations, A625 would be better.

Think we probably need to thin the car list out a bit - guessing those you've tried aren't true touring cars??

I've built 3 cars so far - Cossie Sierra, e30 M3 and 155 Alfa. (Full tyre width) and all 3 can make 650 pi pretty easily. Cossie and M3 can lap Brands Indy in mid/low 51's (only did 3 laps). Alfa looks awesome but is painfully slow in comparison

[TheLuke]

I tried a bit of both.

The volvo 850R tops out at around A620 and I tried some modern stuff also that were around the same. It tends to be that cars with v.good handling from stock can teach A650 with under 360bhp, but those that dont have decent handling from standard fall short.

[ajprice]

Thanks Luke and Andy for doing that, I knew that the cars I built were all between A600-A650, I didn't know where the best limit was within that. To de fuzz those bits then:

Max power 360bhp
Max PI A620
Tyres max width 255, 18-20" diameter

Leave drive and conversions open?

[AndyD360]

ajprice said:

Thanks Luke and Andy for doing that, I knew that the cars I built were all between A600-A650, I didn't know where the best limit was within that. To de fuzz those bits then:

Max power 360bhp
Max PI A620
Tyres max width 255, 18-20" diameter

Leave drive and conversions open?

Tried a couple of others now - see Luke's point about the Volvo as it struggles to stay in the PI limits with a decent amount of power.

I'll definitely use RWD / 4WD as with 300+ brake all my front drive efforts result in epic amounts of understeer. Not sure about engine/drive conversions - the Volvo will take a 5.7l v8 and RWD and stay within the PI limit...

[AntiLagGC8]

I tried this last night for a few minutes with a 22B.

With various mods including removing under-steer with a thicker ARB I could do a '54 around Brands Indy circuit which I'm not sure is good enough to compete.

[John_S4x4]

Count me in !
I think we should stick with BTCC style cars. I would prefer if the jap 4wd cars and the Nissan's were dropped and we should stick with no engine swaps or conversions. No coupes or 2 seaters, just saloons and hatchback's.

Just to confirm....
PI limit is 620
Max HP is 360
...along with the limits in the first post.

Edited by John_S4x4 on Sunday 11th October 12:47

[AndyD360]

AntiLagGC8 said:

I tried this last night for a few minutes with a 22B.

With various mods including removing under-steer with a thicker ARB I could do a '54 around Brands Indy circuit which I'm not sure is good enough to compete.

Is a lot about finding the right car sometimes. It may be that the 22b doesn't suit this brake horse/pi limit. Once we're set on the regulations I'll upload the tune for the car I'll be using. The best bits about these race nights is the banter and the ability to run close to other clean racers, not running off into the distance and winning by a mile.