Straightened Throttle Plate

Straightened Throttle Plate

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Lewis's Friend

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1,026 posts

191 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Hi All

In my trawling though the forum, I came across a mod to the throttle plate to take the dog leg out and make it a straight cut.

Can someone clear up what this mod is for? I take it it makes for a linear throttle progression, rather than having that 'little bit extra' at the end of the pedal?

If this is the case, I can see the benefit, but not what it was for in the first place! Was it TVR's idea of traction control!?

I would be interested in having this done, but would like to understand it a bit better.

Thanks

Griffinr

1,017 posts

175 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Lewis's Friend said:
Hi All

In my trawling though the forum, I came across a mod to the throttle plate to take the dog leg out and make it a straight cut.

Can someone clear up what this mod is for? I take it it makes for a linear throttle progression, rather than having that 'little bit extra' at the end of the pedal?

If this is the case, I can see the benefit, but not what it was for in the first place! Was it TVR's idea of traction control!?

I would be interested in having this done, but would like to understand it a bit better.

Thanks
I think the dog leg was to improve drivability in normal and town driving, it probably helped fuel economy as well. I personally never liked the sudden power surge at three quarter throttle and much prefer the progressive throttle. If you think back to cars with twin choke carbs, many of these ran on the first choke until you pressed hard and the second one opened to give you the power.

phillpot

17,122 posts

184 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Griffinr said:
I personally never liked the sudden power surge at three quarter throttle
I'd welcome a power surge at any throttle position wink

Lewis's Friend

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1,026 posts

191 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Anyone who has had this done, can you tell me where you had the work carried out? Also, is it a new plate made up, or modifying the old one?

Thanks

mk1fan

10,525 posts

226 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Samy came with one fitted. Bought a spare plenum which came with one so fitted it to the Reserve.

Alan461 offered to mod one for me. I have a spare banana one that I'm happy to pass on this spare to be modded to start a 'chain letter' of modded plates. As long as one comes back to me.

Alan461

853 posts

132 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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mk1fan said:
Samy came with one fitted. Bought a spare plenum which came with one so fitted it to the Reserve.

Alan461 offered to mod one for me. I have a spare banana one that I'm happy to pass on this spare to be modded to start a 'chain letter' of modded plates. As long as one comes back to me.
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Lewis's Friend

Original Poster:

1,026 posts

191 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Alan461 said:
mk1fan said:
Samy came with one fitted. Bought a spare plenum which came with one so fitted it to the Reserve.

Alan461 offered to mod one for me. I have a spare banana one that I'm happy to pass on this spare to be modded to start a 'chain letter' of modded plates. As long as one comes back to me.
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That looks very cool...!

Is there a possibility I could have one made up like that? It would be most appreciated.

phillpot

17,122 posts

184 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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mk1fan

10,525 posts

226 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Alan461 said:
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Alan are you up for doing a few?

Alan461

853 posts

132 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Couldn't do a batch of them without treating it as work and it attracting a cost.
If they are on an exchange basis and arrive one a week then ok.
Can't accept any responibility for loss in the post
or people's wreckless driving as a result of the improved throttle responsesmile

mk1fan

10,525 posts

226 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Thinking of one at a time a some beer tokens.

TopVpowerRoadste

211 posts

118 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Does this modification require a new throttle cable?

phillpot

17,122 posts

184 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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TopVpowerRoadste said:
Does this modification require a new throttle cable?
No

mk1fan

10,525 posts

226 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Alan's photo above also shows his throttle cable as he has removed the [pointless] linkage. As have a few S owners.

Alan461

853 posts

132 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Less is more!

This one really does feel quick to respond, same distance pedal travel but instant throttle opening from the first movement of the pedal. This is reversible as yet, I'm going to give it a try before making it permanent.
Going to have to do the Magpies pedal stop mod otherwise the throttle position sensor might get trashed as the butterfly goes over square, and sooner or later the cable is going to snap.
Mick if you see this can you put a photo on?

Edited by Alan461 on Wednesday 14th October 18:30

zombeh

693 posts

188 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Lewis's Friend said:
but not what it was for in the first place! Was it TVR's idea of traction control!?
The idea is to make the throttle area proportional to the pedal movement. A small change in the angle of the throttle plate makes a huge difference when it's nearly closed and next to no difference when it's nearly fully open. If the angle of the plate is proportional to the movement of the pedal then at low revs driving around town in traffic you've got very little movement between nothing and effective full throttle.
I guess TVR overdid it from the number of people who seem to want to change it.

v8s4me

7,243 posts

220 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Looking at Alan's mod I wonder why you need the cam plate at all. What does it add, even with a straight slot?

Griffinr

1,017 posts

175 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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v8s4me said:
Looking at Alan's mod I wonder why you need the cam plate at all. What does it add, even with a straight slot?
Even with the straight slot the throttle opening is not linear, once you get past half throttle the butterfly opens quicker as the pedal is pressed.

v8s4me

7,243 posts

220 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Griffinr said:
Even with the straight slot the throttle opening is not linear, once you get past half throttle the butterfly opens quicker as the pedal is pressed.
So why not junk the slotted plate altogether and do what Alan has done?

Alan461

853 posts

132 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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v8s4me said:
Griffinr said:
Even with the straight slot the throttle opening is not linear, once you get past half throttle the butterfly opens quicker as the pedal is pressed.
So why not junk the slotted plate altogether and do what Alan has done?
Haven't driven it yet, might not be a good alternative so I left provision for reversal.
it looks like it could be a way to dispense with the whole assemby and have very linear connection with the butterfly.
The tiny ball and socket was cut from the old mechanism and bolted direct to the throttle, it's simple to do.
The more important bit was making a bracket to anchor the outer cable but again not difficult.
No new parts were used in any of this just joined the old bits together differently
I could do with some opinions on this, it might be a useful mod.
Please discuss...

Edited by Alan461 on Thursday 15th October 22:33