RE: Cadillac ATS-V: Driven

RE: Cadillac ATS-V: Driven

Monday 12th October 2015

Cadillac ATS-V: Driven

GM's answer to the BMW M3 is surprisingly convincing



This is the era of globalisation, where you can buy the same iPad or Starbucks Frappuccino in Austria or in Zambia. Yet, frustratingly, some performance cars are still denied to us, including most of those built in the US. This goes two ways, of course - some Americans are equally frustrated at not being able to buy Civic Type Rs or SEAT Leon Cupras. But when a car feels as ready for Europe as the Cadillac ATS-V, it's still a grating irritation.

Oooh, moody
Oooh, moody
The what?
First, an introduction. Cadillac's off-on-off-on-off-on-off relationship with the European market - and its current absence - means we don't get exposed to the standard ATS, which is broadly equivalent to the BMW 3 Series and 4 Series with both saloon - sorry, sedan - and coupe variants. The ATS-V is the full-on performance version, powered by a 464hp turbocharged V6. So yes, a US rival to the M3and M4.

It's certainly not short on visual aggression. The standard ATS is already on the wedgy side of edgy and the V takes it somewhere past the next level. The front end seems to be all grille, there are 18-inch alloys and a punchy bodykit that makes the saloon look like a slightly reduced version of the bigger CTS-V. The coupe has the same front end and then, behind that, an angular charm that - to these eyes at least - is interesting enough to overcome the fact it's not what you'd call conventionally good looking.

The interior is less convincing, although a huge step forward from earlier Cadillacs. It's not that long since I was sitting in a first generation CTS ahead of its proposed launch into Europe next to a senior Cadillac manager. He asked me what I thought of the craptacular cabin quality and - being young and naïve enough to think he would appreciate the unvarnished truth - I told him, triggering a minor diplomatic incident.

The ATS-V is much better, but it's still too much of a stretch to say it's on a par with the Europeans. There are lots of soft-touch materials and even - in the car I tested - some Bentley style polished metal trim. But your fingers don't need to wander far to find some cheap, oily plastics too, and the white-on-black analogue instruments could have come straight from a 90s Nissan. The 'CUE' touchscreen interface is pretty irritating too, requiring you to navigate several sub-menus to do things like change radio station...

Coupe going straight for M4 and RC F
Coupe going straight for M4 and RC F
Driving range
Six cylinders: discuss. The strange thing about the decision to fit the ATS-V with a V6 is that GM isn't exactly short of light, powerful V8s. This follows the lead set by BMW with the M3 and M4 of course, but stands in contrast to the decision by Merc and Lexus to stick with eights. The motor certainly isn't short on firepower, even if it feels a bit rough around the edges. There's a six-speed manual box but the saloon I drove had an eight-speed auto.

On road the ATS-V quickly proves itself to be seriously effective. No, it doesn't have the mechanical charisma of its Teutonic rivals; the engine is more about torque than top end and revs out just past the 6,000rpm mark. But with a peak 464hp on tap it out-guns the M3/M4 and is almost on a par with the C63. The engine can't match the near-instant responses of the BMW either. But after a brief delay while the turbos spool up - and the transmission works out which gear to deliver in drive - it pulls more than hard enough to make you believe the claimed 3.8-second 0-60mph time and 185mph top speed.

Praise for the chassis is unambiguous. There's huge grip, a nicely judged handling balance and superb body control. The switchable dampers worked extremely well in both their normal and sport mode, handling some of Michigan's roughest back roads without breaking sweat. It's no coincidence that the same route is apparently a favourite of GM's chassis engineers) It's definitely not a wafter; this isn't one of those Caddies you can drive with one finger while holding an unspilled drink, and the firmest 'Track' mode is a bit Ronnie Pickering; too much for road use.

The variable ratio steering is very fast-geared around the straight ahead, but once you're dialled into the keenness of the front-end responses it delivers you also appreciate its accuracy. It also makes it easy to maintain directional discipline if you also choose to let the torque overwhelm the grip of the rear tyres, with a strong caster effect helping to keep it locked to the direction the front wheels are going on. The downside of that is the need to hang on over rougher surfaces as the wheel responds to bumps and cambers.

Not lacking on circuit either. Ahem
Not lacking on circuit either. Ahem
The brake pedal feels very firm and there's not much movement in it, but it's easy to modulate and delivers solid retardation when you start to lean on it. Oh, and in 'manual' mode the transmission suffered a noticeable delay when instructions were issued via the steering wheel paddles.

Kiss and make up?
It's the same with all on-off relationships; now Cadillac has left the UK it suddenly seems more appealing. It's a shame that, after years of trying to flog us cars that we didn't really want (BLS, anyone?) the brand has become interesting during one of its European intermissions. The ATS-V is the exact opposite of the XXL land yachts that made the brand famous and, although I'm not suggesting there's huge pent-up demand over here and the ATS-V would outsell the M3 and the C63, it's easy see the appeal in its combination of performance and, well, differentness. Fingers crossed GM takes the brave pills and tries for another UK relaunch...


CADILLAC ATS-V SALOON
Engine
: 3,564cc twin-turbocharged V6
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive (8-speed auto optional)
Power (hp): 464@5,850rpm
Torque (lb ft): 445@3,500rpm
0-60mph: c. 3.8 secs (claimed)
Top speed: 185mph (claimed)
Weight: 1,678kg
MPG: NA
CO2: NA
Price: $61,460 (£40,000 at current exchange rates. Depressingly)





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griffsomething

Original Poster:

236 posts

161 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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This whole thing about 'soft touch' dashboards etc - does it really, really, matter? Yes, the things you touch (gearknob, door handles, steering wheel) should be nice, but maybe I'm the weird one when I can honestly say, I really don't spend much time touching and assessing the softness of the materials in any of my cars!

P4GNO

35 posts

123 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Who is Ronnie Pickering?

M3DGE

1,979 posts

164 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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It's irrelevant how good the car is. GM have made such a backside of trying to sell Caddys in Europe, and especially the UK where costs are higher because of RHD, I think it is highly unlikely they will try again. Chevrolet was pulled at huge upfront cost because it could not achieve volume - so why would they have another go at Cadillac?
Nice to see the brand revival in the US though, and this will go down very well in China.

aeropilot

34,581 posts

227 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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M3DGE said:
Chevrolet was pulled at huge upfront cost because it could not achieve volume
Chevrolet was pulled through lack of volume sales because for some stupid unfathomable reason (by one typical of GM) was that GM chose to rebadge cheap and nasty Korean Daiwoo's as Chevrolet, a brand name that most people in Europe would associate with the name Corvette, Bel-Air, Impala, Camaro etc.,etc.





unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Cadillac this year moved their headquarters from Detroit to New York City. They don't sit in a corporate office tower, but in a low-rise space in urbane and art-infused SoHo.

It's an unprecedented and controversial shift away from the General Motors family.

The new (and Dutch) managing director remains somewhat embattled for his iconoclast decision, but it's clear that he enjoys the support of the General Motors brass. He's not thinking merely five years ahead; he's thinking 50 years ahead.

Maybe 100 staffers will populate the New York office, which will invest in customer insight and perhaps a bit of customer co-creation. Manufacturing will not move from Michigan or other typical factory locations.



Horse Pop

685 posts

144 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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griffsomething said:
This whole thing about 'soft touch' dashboards etc - does it really, really, matter? Yes, the things you touch (gearknob, door handles, steering wheel) should be nice, but maybe I'm the weird one when I can honestly say, I really don't spend much time touching and assessing the softness of the materials in any of my cars!
I very much agree.

People with nice cars, how often do you fondle your dashboards?

Last I read (might have been in autocar?) Cadi were coming back to the UK again.

Looking forward to all the depreciation specials.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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unsprung said:
Cadillac this year moved their headquarters from Detroit to New York City. They don't sit in a corporate office tower, but in a low-rise space in urbane and art-infused SoHo.

It's an unprecedented and controversial shift away from the General Motors family.

The new (and Dutch) managing director remains somewhat embattled for his iconoclast decision, but it's clear that he enjoys the support of the General Motors brass. He's not thinking merely five years ahead; he's thinking 50 years ahead.

Maybe 100 staffers will populate the New York office, which will invest in customer insight and perhaps a bit of customer co-creation. Manufacturing will not move from Michigan or other typical factory locations.
I've been following Cadillac with interest for a few years now. It seems that General Motors now is starting to realise it has to find out what customers want rather than just producing what it wants customers to want. This is a good first step for Cadillac.

bobo79

294 posts

149 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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aeropilot said:
Chevrolet was pulled through lack of volume sales because for some stupid unfathomable reason (by one typical of GM) was that GM chose to rebadge cheap and nasty Korean Daiwoo's as Chevrolet, a brand name that most people in Europe would associate with the name Corvette, Bel-Air, Impala, Camaro etc.,etc.
I doubt many people (outside of american car enthusiasts) in the UK/Europe would ever have heard of a Bel-Air, Impala or even Camaro so it wouldn't have made much difference. The problem was GM already had a brand who did what Chevrolet do operating in Europe - Opel/Vauxhall.

Furthermore, some of the dreadful Chevys we had over here were also sold as Chevys in America, like the Spark and the Cruze. Coincidentally some Vauxhall/Opels are sold in America as Buicks (e.g. Buick Regal).

Twoshoe

854 posts

184 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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P4GNO said:
Who is Ronnie Pickering?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dcv6GKNNw

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Twoshoe said:
P4GNO said:
Who is Ronnie Pickering?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dcv6GKNNw
"Who the fks that?!" rofl

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3251966/I-...

RumbleOfThunder

3,554 posts

203 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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0-60 in 3.8 sound ambitious to anyone else?

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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RumbleOfThunder said:
0-60 in 3.8 sound ambitious to anyone else?
A figure of 3.7 was achieved in this comparison.

pirategaz

51 posts

174 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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RumbleOfThunder said:
0-60 in 3.8 sound ambitious to anyone else?
Was thinking the same thing... 3.8 to 60 seems little unbelievable America all over...
Plus am i the only that thinks it looks dated in its styling just screams 90s to me!
I'm all for thinking out of the box and love to stand out from the crowd but this over an M3 or M4??? Youd have to be mental.... Or American possibly the same thing!

TOOMANYMS

43 posts

162 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Don't be too depressed at that price, it is before tax.

qube_TA

8,402 posts

245 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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It's not exactly a looker but it's suitably distracting to like it.

I think super-fast Caddies are missing the point of the brand, it's supposed to be about luxury, or at least they were.

They should be making quick cars that are comfy with fantastic interiors, not cheap feeling muscle cars, that's what Chevy's are for.


mikEsprit

827 posts

186 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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pirategaz said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
0-60 in 3.8 sound ambitious to anyone else?
Was thinking the same thing... 3.8 to 60 seems little unbelievable America all over...
Plus am i the only that thinks it looks dated in its styling just screams 90s to me!
I'm all for thinking out of the box and love to stand out from the crowd but this over an M3 or M4??? Youd have to be mental.... Or American possibly the same thing!
XLR first shown in 2003. What car from the 90's looks anything like this?

j_s14a

863 posts

178 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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GM has been producing excellent V6 engines for years smile

pigeonskirt

506 posts

139 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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It may be a lot better than Cadillacs of old, but you'd be daft to buy this over the equivalent Mercedes/BMW/Audi.

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Certainly looks better than a current BMW M car, that's for sure.

mko9

2,361 posts

212 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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griffsomething said:
This whole thing about 'soft touch' dashboards etc - does it really, really, matter? Yes, the things you touch (gearknob, door handles, steering wheel) should be nice, but maybe I'm the weird one when I can honestly say, I really don't spend much time touching and assessing the softness of the materials in any of my cars!
Yeah, I have never understood the fascination either. To me the dashboard is just a piece of plastic to cover up all the wires and vents between the steering wheel and the windscreen. My hand are supposed to be on the steering wheel, not fondling the dashboard. Anytime I am reading a British car review they are forever prattling on about soft touch plastics, or something. That said, the interiors on most American cars are awful. My brother has 1st gen CTS-V, and I think my 2004 BMW 330i has a much better executed interior. There are just so many things that strange/poorly executed. The seat belts are integrated into the seat, rather than the pillar. The sunroof control is a dial rather than a switch. Stuff like that.