Porsche 911R for 2016 - AKA Manual GT3?
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Porsche to Launch 911 R with GT3 Engine and Manual Transmission
http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-to-launch-ult...
Not exactly a GT3, but not a GTS, something inbetween. When did Porsche last make an "R"?
http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-to-launch-ult...
Not exactly a GT3, but not a GTS, something inbetween. When did Porsche last make an "R"?
Edited by redback911 on Tuesday 13th October 09:45
I'd love one of these but very different to original which was launched in 1967.
In 1967, plans began to evolve for a 'factory' race version of the 911. While the 911S had enjoyed success in the hands of privateers and the occasional factory-backed competition effort, the 911R was to be an ultra-light weight version of the car that would improve Porsche's chances in competition.
The monocoque was made of the thinnest gauge steel possible, while fiberglass was used extensively replacing the fenders, front and rear deck lids and bumpers. The doors and deck lids all had aluminum hinges while the interior was stripped of all creature comforts - there were only three gauges in the car and seats were replaced wîth Scheel racing bucket seats. Side and rear windows were all replaced wîth Plexiglas and the floor boards were drilled and lightened. The result was a 911 that weighed 450 pounds less than its production equivalent.
All of the running gear was standard wîth the exception of larger brake calipers, wider wheels and tires, front and rear. The engine was very similar to the one used in the racing Carrera 6 (or 906) and put out 210 horsepower from its 2.0 liter 911S-based engine.
Twenty-two examples of the 911R were constructed, but they were never homologated by the factory. Three 911Rs were kept by Porsche and the other 19 cars were sold to selected privateers.
The 911R made its first race appearance in July of 1967. At the 500km race for sports cars at Mugello, Italy, the 911R, driven by future Porsche stars Vic Elford and Gijs van Lennep, finished third behind two factory backed Porsche 910s. The 911R's first win came in August of that year when, equipped wîth the Porsche 'Sportmatic' automatic transmission, it won the Marathon de la Route held at the Nurburgring. The car won the 86 hour long event, driven to victory by Hans Herrmann, Vic Elford and Jochen Neerpash.
With the focus of Weissach firmly on an overall victory at Le Mans, the 911R program was shelved due to a lack of resources. The car would, however, have many successes in the hands of privateers and two very important wins for the Porsche factory. In September of 1969, a factory prepared 911R driven by Gerard Larrousse and co-driven by Maurice Gelin won the Tour de France and in November won the Corsica Rally in Italy.
Source - Porsche
In 1967, plans began to evolve for a 'factory' race version of the 911. While the 911S had enjoyed success in the hands of privateers and the occasional factory-backed competition effort, the 911R was to be an ultra-light weight version of the car that would improve Porsche's chances in competition.
The monocoque was made of the thinnest gauge steel possible, while fiberglass was used extensively replacing the fenders, front and rear deck lids and bumpers. The doors and deck lids all had aluminum hinges while the interior was stripped of all creature comforts - there were only three gauges in the car and seats were replaced wîth Scheel racing bucket seats. Side and rear windows were all replaced wîth Plexiglas and the floor boards were drilled and lightened. The result was a 911 that weighed 450 pounds less than its production equivalent.
All of the running gear was standard wîth the exception of larger brake calipers, wider wheels and tires, front and rear. The engine was very similar to the one used in the racing Carrera 6 (or 906) and put out 210 horsepower from its 2.0 liter 911S-based engine.
Twenty-two examples of the 911R were constructed, but they were never homologated by the factory. Three 911Rs were kept by Porsche and the other 19 cars were sold to selected privateers.
The 911R made its first race appearance in July of 1967. At the 500km race for sports cars at Mugello, Italy, the 911R, driven by future Porsche stars Vic Elford and Gijs van Lennep, finished third behind two factory backed Porsche 910s. The 911R's first win came in August of that year when, equipped wîth the Porsche 'Sportmatic' automatic transmission, it won the Marathon de la Route held at the Nurburgring. The car won the 86 hour long event, driven to victory by Hans Herrmann, Vic Elford and Jochen Neerpash.
With the focus of Weissach firmly on an overall victory at Le Mans, the 911R program was shelved due to a lack of resources. The car would, however, have many successes in the hands of privateers and two very important wins for the Porsche factory. In September of 1969, a factory prepared 911R driven by Gerard Larrousse and co-driven by Maurice Gelin won the Tour de France and in November won the Corsica Rally in Italy.
Source - Porsche
PorscheGT4 said:
redback911 said:
Not exactly a GT3, but not a GTS, something inbetween. When did Porsche last make an "R"?
Cayman R :-OI think the 911 R with have the GTS engine, not the GT3 engine, i.e. a power pack standard engine.
hondansx said:
Sounds expensive and unnecessary to me. I imagine this is going to be priced like a Sports Classic.
If you want a pure experience, then just get a base model Carrera. If you want a really pure experience, get a really old 911!
Its very necessary from a business and commercial point of view.If you want a pure experience, then just get a base model Carrera. If you want a really pure experience, get a really old 911!
They can see the 'classic' market going bonkers and want to get in on that action.
Its good for brand image too, it communicates that they are building 'drivers cars' etc etc.
I can hear the road testers now, 'PORSCHE GOES BACK TO BASICS', 'THE 911 DRIVERS CAR IS BACK' etc etc.
And they price it at a 'special' level. Porsche know what they are doing!
hondansx said:
Sounds expensive and unnecessary to me. I imagine this is going to be priced like a Sports Classic.
If you want a pure experience, then just get a base model Carrera. If you want a really pure experience, get a really old 911!
A base Carrera or an old 911 are obviously neither expensive nor unnecessary If you want a pure experience, then just get a base model Carrera. If you want a really pure experience, get a really old 911!
gred said:
EricE said:
You bet it's going to be expensive, my guess is that it will be a manual with the 4.0L engine at lower redline, strictly limited and priced well above the 991 Turbo S. But it is already sold out so who cares. 
He come it's sold out?Something like that!
monthefish said:
That would be a pretty clever marketing strategy. Impose PDK only on the range and then offer manual on a 'premium' model at huge extra cost.
When they launched the GT3.... He said it was possible they would do limited edition manual cars in the future. Not only is this a clever marketing strategy but if they had done a 991.2 GT3 with a manual box they'd have had some unhappy GT3 owners on their hands.
AndrewD said:
hondansx said:
Sounds expensive and unnecessary to me. I imagine this is going to be priced like a Sports Classic.
If you want a pure experience, then just get a base model Carrera. If you want a really pure experience, get a really old 911!
A base Carrera or an old 911 are obviously neither expensive nor unnecessary If you want a pure experience, then just get a base model Carrera. If you want a really pure experience, get a really old 911!
If this is near GT3 money, then it is going to be double the price of a second hand 991 Carrera. My point is, if you want 'purity', there are already plenty of cars out there. The GT3 has simply moved on the game without sentimentanlity, which i respect. By the sounds of it, the 911R is another way of Porsche to milk their fans with clever marketing.
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