Duratec V6... Has it ever been done?

Duratec V6... Has it ever been done?

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Blu3R

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198 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Hello all, I'm new to this forum and from searching I can't find a definitive answer to whether the V6 Duratec will work in an S. I've always had a soft spot for the S but would dearly like to know whether anyone has fitted a Duratec and what pitfalls they encountered.

Thanks,
Rob

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Loads of conversions done. Works are pretty simple for a competent person.

ECU and electrics are the biggest problem to ressolve. Use the search function. 'The cats out of the bag' is one thread I can recall.

Blu3R

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198 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Brilliant, thanks. I tried the search but came up with nothing useful.

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Gearbox and final drive were the other two issues.

Buzzlt

239 posts

164 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Be better off with the Jag engine out of the x type though as Jaguar took the duratec and reworked a lot of it.Timing chains instead of belts etc also it has quite a bit more power standard. If you look up "TVR S series eurotour 2014" I think Damian S3 was putting one in but don't know how it finally faired?

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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The cat is outa the bag;

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=137...

Donor cars can be had for very little £700ish.

Blu3R

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Saturday 28th November 2015
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mk1fan said:
Gearbox and final drive were the other two issues.
Will a cosworth T5 fit without major modification? Again I've searched and not found much in the way of definitive answers.

magpies

5,129 posts

181 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Blu3R said:
Will a cosworth T5 fit without major modification? Again I've searched and not found much in the way of definitive answers.
probably best to ask on the various Ford forums

Alan Whitaker

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181 months

magpies

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181 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Alan Whitaker said:
mentions MT75 box (which I have in my BOA S) using an adaptor plate - so very do-able


v8s4me

7,234 posts

218 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Damian's brilliant conversion proves it can be done, and deliver an improvement on the old V6. But just out of interest, why do you want to do it? If it is for the technical challenge then fine, but if it is just about more power then buying a V8S will give you similar power and more torque and probably work out cheaper in the long run. Good luck which ever way you go thumbup

Alan Whitaker

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181 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Hi All
I think the MT box will be better as the Jag has a different gear ratio where as the MT should be fine on the std 3:63 diff

Alan

Blu3R

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Saturday 28th November 2015
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Thank you all for the help and advice so far, Damian's car looks fantastic and I'm sure I'll be bending his ear if he doesn't mind and if this gets off the ground biggrin

v8s4me said:
Damian's brilliant conversion proves it can be done, and deliver an improvement on the old V6. But just out of interest, why do you want to do it? If it is for the technical challenge then fine, but if it is just about more power then buying a V8S will give you similar power and more torque and probably work out cheaper in the long run. Good luck which ever way you go thumbup
My reasons are that I've always had a soft spot for the S after driving a friend's car many years ago. This was rekindled while at Bespoke's open day earlier this year and increased when seeing the car with the MX5 roof fitted.
I have a particular interest in this engine which will become apparent if you see what I currently own in my profile. Granted the Duratec is not normally something that would be chosen but I believe the space available will allow the creation of at least a turbo or preferably twin turbo setup and should allow a very easily achievable 420bhp/420lbft which is considered a fairly mild tune.

Main considerations are:
Overall packaging into the bay (engine ancillaries, manifolds & exhaust pipework, intercooler/chargecooler, etc)
Gearbox (choice, strength & fitment)
Inlet plumbing (Ford inlet & TB would face the bulkhead)
Suitability of brakes and suspension.

v8s4me

7,234 posts

218 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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I see where you're coming from. You can get tried and tested turbo and supercharger kits for the V8 which would give you similar figures, without as many technical challenges, but then I guess you know that already. I'd still contend the V8S would be a better starting point because you'll already have rear discs, a wider track and an LSD as standard and wouldn't have so may other problems to solve. Anyway, it'll be a fascinating project to follow which ever way you go. thumbup

BTW, the 'S' at Bespoke with the MX5 roof is a V8S, and it's in MY garage biggrin

Blu3R

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Saturday 28th November 2015
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v8s4me said:
I see where you're coming from. You can get tried and tested turbo and supercharger kits for the V8 which would give you similar figures, without as many technical challenges, but then I guess you know that already. I'd still contend the V8S would be a better starting point because you'll already have rear discs, a wider track and an LSD as standard and wouldn't have so may other problems to solve. Anyway, it'll be a fascinating project to follow which ever way you go. thumbup

BTW, the 'S' at Bespoke with the MX5 roof is a V8S, and it's in MY garage biggrin
Ha! Brilliant! Your car looked fantastic and it was nice to meet you, even if it was briefly. My car was the blue one dumped by the entrance because I arrived late as per usual.
In honestly I didn't know there were such differences between the V8 and V6 models - I know very little about them at all in fact. Maybe I should start with a V8 to convert? I'm hoping the whole project won't be too costly and I suspect turboing a V8 would be similar in cost to the Duratec route. I'd be aiming for under £10k total including buying a car.

v8s4me

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Saturday 28th November 2015
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Blu3R said:
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Ha! Brilliant! Your car looked fantastic and it was nice to meet you...
Thank you.

Blu3R said:
...I'm hoping the whole project won't be too costly and I suspect turboing a V8 would be similar in cost to the Duratec route. I'd be aiming for under £10k total including buying a car.
Well Powers do a RV8 turbo kit giving a claimed 338 bhp with 427lb ft of torque at the rear wheels for £3,500 +VAT http://www.powersperformance.co.uk/upgrades/rv8-tu... so that's quite good value on a bhp/£ basis. But doing the whole project for under £10K might be optimistic I think, even doing it all yourself. Good luck again though.

Alan Whitaker

2,054 posts

181 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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How about a custom inlet, front mounted.



Alan

Blu3R

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Sunday 29th November 2015
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Alan Whitaker said:
How about a custom inlet, front mounted.



Alan
Looks amazing but maybe you missed the bit about budget biggrin

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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Barry S1's car could be a good basis for such a project.

v8s4me

7,234 posts

218 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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mk1fan said:
Barry S1's car could be a good basis for such a project.
That's a good idea idea