Amputee loses Motability car
Discussion
A 19 year old who lost her leg to cancer at age 14 lost the right to her Motability car as she wasn't disabled enough, this is a girl who puts time and effort into fundraising and awareness for cancer trusts. A local garage stepped in and gifted her a new suitably adapted car.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
We all know that if she was suffering from excessive cake and pie disorder she would have benefits thrown at her.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
We all know that if she was suffering from excessive cake and pie disorder she would have benefits thrown at her.
I did Motability at one showroom I worked at and it shows you the best and worst of society in the UK today.
Whole families of scumbags getting cars with clearly nothing wrong with them apart from a McDonalds addiction, 'refugee' families who had been in the country less than a year and clearly had nothing wrong with them, a man returning a 4x4 who had a Motab car because of his bad back who magically gained the agility of a kangaroo so he could look we at the damage on the roof that he would have to pay for, the lady whose disability was supposed to be she couldn't walk without a stick and sometimes needed a wheelchair & yet we never saw her using either and finally the car that was returned and we were told by the police not to touch as it was part of an ongoing investigation into a major local drug ring.
Then there other people who lives you wouldn't wish on anyone and you felt they could have anything in the showroom FOC. I met some amazing brave and courageous people who it was a pleasure to help.
Lets see if you can guess which one of these two groups were the ones constantly on the phone demanding "Has me new motor arrived yet?" or asking if they could change the colour of their free car after three months of ownership. No prizes.
Its not the idea that's flawed, its the way its carried out. Sometimes I think Doctors sign the recommendation forms, just to get the scumbags out of their surgeries.
Whole families of scumbags getting cars with clearly nothing wrong with them apart from a McDonalds addiction, 'refugee' families who had been in the country less than a year and clearly had nothing wrong with them, a man returning a 4x4 who had a Motab car because of his bad back who magically gained the agility of a kangaroo so he could look we at the damage on the roof that he would have to pay for, the lady whose disability was supposed to be she couldn't walk without a stick and sometimes needed a wheelchair & yet we never saw her using either and finally the car that was returned and we were told by the police not to touch as it was part of an ongoing investigation into a major local drug ring.
Then there other people who lives you wouldn't wish on anyone and you felt they could have anything in the showroom FOC. I met some amazing brave and courageous people who it was a pleasure to help.
Lets see if you can guess which one of these two groups were the ones constantly on the phone demanding "Has me new motor arrived yet?" or asking if they could change the colour of their free car after three months of ownership. No prizes.
Its not the idea that's flawed, its the way its carried out. Sometimes I think Doctors sign the recommendation forms, just to get the scumbags out of their surgeries.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Sunday 29th November 19:39
I don't know enough about this particular case to form a firm opinion but I've been an amputee for over 20 years so I'll add something.
Visually an amputation can be very striking but in lots of cases its just not that disabling. Modern limbs work very well and the tech is improving all the time. My personal mobility is better now than it was 20 years ago. I've never qualified for DLA or the motobility section of it as I pass all the tests. The reason I don't qualify for these benefits is the NHS provide me with very expensive limbs free of charge. These limbs enable me to live a full life.
I'm not saying there arnt amputees who get and deserve motobility cars and I'm sure the system has been abused for years but each case should be decided on merit
Visually an amputation can be very striking but in lots of cases its just not that disabling. Modern limbs work very well and the tech is improving all the time. My personal mobility is better now than it was 20 years ago. I've never qualified for DLA or the motobility section of it as I pass all the tests. The reason I don't qualify for these benefits is the NHS provide me with very expensive limbs free of charge. These limbs enable me to live a full life.
I'm not saying there arnt amputees who get and deserve motobility cars and I'm sure the system has been abused for years but each case should be decided on merit
kdri155 said:
A 19 year old who lost her leg to cancer at age 14 lost the right to her Motability car as she wasn't disabled enough, this is a girl who puts time and effort into fundraising and awareness for cancer trusts. A local garage stepped in and gifted her a new suitably adapted car.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
We all know that if she was suffering from excessive cake and pie disorder she would have benefits thrown at her.
Let's tell it how it is, she hasn't lost her Motability car. She's lost her higher rate mobility component from the DWP which she has used to pay a contract hire agreement with Motability.http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/w...
We all know that if she was suffering from excessive cake and pie disorder she would have benefits thrown at her.
She's probably had a PIP assessment and he government deem her fit enough to be able to work and no longer requires the higher rate payment. The idea of this is to stop paying people who don't need the money/can work and make the system fairer to those who actually need it.
Everyone (between 16-65) will be assessed and the payment stopped if deemed to no longer be suitable.
Move along, nothing to see here (except some promo for the garage)
Janluke said:
I don't know enough about this particular case to form a firm opinion but I've been an amputee for over 20 years so I'll add something.
Visually an amputation can be very striking but in lots of cases its just not that disabling. Modern limbs work very well and the tech is improving all the time. My personal mobility is better now than it was 20 years ago. I've never qualified for DLA or the motobility section of it as I pass all the tests. The reason I don't qualify for these benefits is the NHS provide me with very expensive limbs free of charge. These limbs enable me to live a full life.
I'm not saying there aren't amputees who get and deserve motobility cars and I'm sure the system has been abused for yearsbut each case should be decided on merit
This.Visually an amputation can be very striking but in lots of cases its just not that disabling. Modern limbs work very well and the tech is improving all the time. My personal mobility is better now than it was 20 years ago. I've never qualified for DLA or the motobility section of it as I pass all the tests. The reason I don't qualify for these benefits is the NHS provide me with very expensive limbs free of charge. These limbs enable me to live a full life.
I'm not saying there aren't amputees who get and deserve motobility cars and I'm sure the system has been abused for yearsbut each case should be decided on merit
The Mobility scheme is no where near as abused as you'd think. Over the last few years they've really tightend it up.
That's not to say that some people do take advantage but I've found it quite stringent from my own experience.
If this girl doesn't fulfil the criteria for higher rate mobility then she won't qualify. I wish I didn't qualify and had to buy my own car with no adaptations. You have to look for the positives
To be fair, she wasn't "told she wasn't disabled enough to get motability", she did not qualify for higher rate PIP for that reason, based on the info she provided on the form.
"was about to have her adapted Motability car taken away from her." is a bit of a disingenuous statement too, the period was ending and she does not currently have higher rate PIP to be able to choose to spend it on another Motability car. Adaptations are self-funded, unless in the case of WAVs, so they might have decided to buy the old car at the end of the period, which is irrelevant to having PIP or not.
Losing higher rate may well be incorrect, in which case she will most likely, and rightly be appealing the decision. It isn't easy to get higher rate, I can't speak for all disabled people, but I know myself you tend to take a more optimistic view of your own needs and how bad things actually are.
I'm having to apply for PIP at the moment myself as DLA is ending, it's annoying but I think it will help stamp out what abuse cases do remain. When I first applied (aged 17, 13 years after diagnosis, nobody ever tells you, or used to at least..., that I would have been eligable all that time), I was declined DLA outright, though I wasn't using a wheelchair back then; until appealing and being offered help with the form via my neurologist, I moved onto higher rate mobility and medium rate care.
If she genuinely should be higher rate eligable, I hope they're able to get things sorted but if not, as harsh as it sounds, Motability requires higher rate PIP, tough...
"was about to have her adapted Motability car taken away from her." is a bit of a disingenuous statement too, the period was ending and she does not currently have higher rate PIP to be able to choose to spend it on another Motability car. Adaptations are self-funded, unless in the case of WAVs, so they might have decided to buy the old car at the end of the period, which is irrelevant to having PIP or not.
Losing higher rate may well be incorrect, in which case she will most likely, and rightly be appealing the decision. It isn't easy to get higher rate, I can't speak for all disabled people, but I know myself you tend to take a more optimistic view of your own needs and how bad things actually are.
I'm having to apply for PIP at the moment myself as DLA is ending, it's annoying but I think it will help stamp out what abuse cases do remain. When I first applied (aged 17, 13 years after diagnosis, nobody ever tells you, or used to at least..., that I would have been eligable all that time), I was declined DLA outright, though I wasn't using a wheelchair back then; until appealing and being offered help with the form via my neurologist, I moved onto higher rate mobility and medium rate care.
If she genuinely should be higher rate eligable, I hope they're able to get things sorted but if not, as harsh as it sounds, Motability requires higher rate PIP, tough...
Edited by mizx on Sunday 29th November 20:05
Im sure BF will also confirm that there is a distinct failure to mention the 'Parachute' payment to her, having lost her HRLDA and not having her contract renewed. Currently around £2500 from Motability. Giving her time to 'adjust'.
Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
Im sure BF will also confirm that there is a distinct failure to mention the 'Parachute' payment to her, having lost her HRLDA and not having her contract renewed. Currently around £2500 from Motability. Giving her time to 'adjust'.
Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
TVR1 said:
Im sure BF will also confirm that there is a distinct failure to mention the 'Parachute' payment to her, having lost her HRLDA and not having her contract renewed. Currently around £2500 from Motability. Giving her time to 'adjust'.
Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
If this is true, how did we get it so wrong, and more importantly, what is being done about it?Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
The 'how far can you walk' distance has changed with the introduction of the benefit PIP which replaced DLA. In the old system if you couldn't walk 50-60 metres safely, in a timely manner and without being in too much pain you would be awarded the higher level of DLA which would then entitle you to a motability car.
However now the distance is 20m and if you can cover this even with the use an aid (stick, crutch, prosthetic etc) then you won't get the higher rate of the benefit and therefore no car.
However now the distance is 20m and if you can cover this even with the use an aid (stick, crutch, prosthetic etc) then you won't get the higher rate of the benefit and therefore no car.
article said:
The Government have today announced they’re sticking with plans to keep the qualifying walking distance of 20 metres for anyone claiming the mobility part of the disability benefit PIP.
Under these plans, if disabled people can walk more than just 20 metres – even using aids such as sticks – they will no longer qualify for the highest rate of the benefit.
The government previously used the well-embedded distance of 50 metres which has been used as a measure of significant mobility impairment for the last 35 years.
https://www.mssociety.org.uk/ms-news/2013/10/government-says-no-changing-pip-20-metre-ruleUnder these plans, if disabled people can walk more than just 20 metres – even using aids such as sticks – they will no longer qualify for the highest rate of the benefit.
The government previously used the well-embedded distance of 50 metres which has been used as a measure of significant mobility impairment for the last 35 years.
It's not just a 20m rule.
Assessment criteria
PIP has two components – daily living and mobility. Both components are payable at a standard or enhanced rate, depending on the claimant’s needs.
To determine entitlement to the two components and the level of payment, individuals are assessed on their ability to complete a number of key everyday activities for example, relating to their ability to dress and undress, make budgeting decisions, communicate and getting around.
Within each activity there are a number of descriptors, each representing a varying level of ability to carry out the activity.
Individuals will receive a point score for each activity, depending on how well they can carry them out and the help they need to do so.
The total scores will determine whether a component is payable, and if so, whether at the standard or enhanced rate. The entitlement threshold for each component is 8 points for the standard rate and 12 points for enhanced.
The activities
There are a total of 12 activities:
Daily living activities:
• Preparing food
• Taking nutrition
• Managing therapy or monitoring a health condition
• Washing and bathing
• Managing toilet needs or incontinence
• Dressing and undressing
• Communicating verbally
• Reading and understanding signs, symbols and words
• Engaging with other people face to face
• Making budgeting decisions Mobility activities:
• Planning and following journeys
• Moving around
Assessment criteria
PIP has two components – daily living and mobility. Both components are payable at a standard or enhanced rate, depending on the claimant’s needs.
To determine entitlement to the two components and the level of payment, individuals are assessed on their ability to complete a number of key everyday activities for example, relating to their ability to dress and undress, make budgeting decisions, communicate and getting around.
Within each activity there are a number of descriptors, each representing a varying level of ability to carry out the activity.
Individuals will receive a point score for each activity, depending on how well they can carry them out and the help they need to do so.
The total scores will determine whether a component is payable, and if so, whether at the standard or enhanced rate. The entitlement threshold for each component is 8 points for the standard rate and 12 points for enhanced.
The activities
There are a total of 12 activities:
Daily living activities:
• Preparing food
• Taking nutrition
• Managing therapy or monitoring a health condition
• Washing and bathing
• Managing toilet needs or incontinence
• Dressing and undressing
• Communicating verbally
• Reading and understanding signs, symbols and words
• Engaging with other people face to face
• Making budgeting decisions Mobility activities:
• Planning and following journeys
• Moving around
TVR1 said:
Im sure BF will also confirm that there is a distinct failure to mention the 'Parachute' payment to her, having lost her HRLDA and not having her contract renewed. Currently around £2500 from Motability. Giving her time to 'adjust'.
Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
Sorry, I must've misheard. You couldn't possibly have said that 10% of new cars registered in the UK are Motability - that would be utterly ridiculous.Dont get me wrong, I fully support Motability in that that allows a huge number of people and their families, with sometimes Unfathomable disabilities, to have some respite and freedom of mobility.
Unfortunately, Motability is now a Dinosaur. 10% of new cars registered in th UK. The largest fleet operator in the UK. A 'not for profit' organisation (distinct from Motability the charity-a separate arm)
Not for profit means, in this case, they have a lot of money to spend. On themselves, their buildings, staff, directors etc. Pop over to Motab HQ in London and graze the machinery in the carpark.....
Their annual Christmas parties are something to behold, too.
IroningMan said:
Sorry, I must've misheard. You couldn't possibly have said that 10% of new cars registered in the UK are Motability - that would be utterly ridiculous.
Their fleet is some 600,000+ vehicles, most on 3 year leases.2.4m cars sold in the UK in 2014 so say 200,000 Motability cars every year and you're not far off.
Butter Face said:
IroningMan said:
Sorry, I must've misheard. You couldn't possibly have said that 10% of new cars registered in the UK are Motability - that would be utterly ridiculous.
Their fleet is some 600,000+ vehicles, most on 3 year leases.2.4m cars sold in the UK in 2014 so say 200,000 Motability cars every year and you're not far off.
vonuber said:
What if it takes you ten minutes of absolute agony?
As I said above, the 20m 'rule' is not what they decide it on.I have a customer who is blind, he can walk fine, but you know, can't see anything.
Another one of my customers has severe learning difficulties and has a live in carer. Both can walk 20m but only one can drive, make food, get themselves dressed etc.
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