RE: Porsche 911 Turbo updates

RE: Porsche 911 Turbo updates

Tuesday 1st December 2015

Porsche 911 Turbo updates

991 updates take in the Turbos, the better to make it stand out from the, er, turbos



Porsche has cheerfully ignored any possible confusion from turbocharging the Carrera line-up; simply there are now turbocharged 911s. And there is the 911 Turbo. And following the extensive '991.II' updates - this being the way Porsche refers to them in-house - we've now got similar, if less fundamental ones, to the Turbos.

New vents and rear lights mark out this Turbo
New vents and rear lights mark out this Turbo
You could probably write the next bit yourself but, as we're here, these basically comprise more power, more tech and - yes - more money. Clearly these changes will have been in the pipeline for some time but as rave reviews for the McLaren 570S come flooding in it does the Turbo no harm whatsoever to hammer home the stuff it's good at. Annoyingly it also renders all those carefully researched spec comparison pieces between the two cars now out of date. In all but weight at least. No, Porsche hasn't managed to strip a couple of hundred kilos out of the car...

It has, of course, made it faster though. New turbos with larger compressors, revised inlet ports, new injector nozzles and higher fuel pressure all add up to a 20hp gain, the standard Turbo now at 540hp and the S 580hp. Porsche has also worked hard on response, further enhancing the already broad power delivery offered by its still unique among petrol engines variable vane turbos. The Dynamic Boost Function follows the example of a similar feature on BMW's S55 motor in the M3 and M4 by cutting fuel but not closing the throttles when you come off the accelerator briefly for that little confidence lift before a corner. Meaning when you get back on the gas the engine is still in the sweet spot for response. This effect is apparently 'more pronounced' when in Sport or Sport Plus mode.

See that new wheel? Hold on tight!
See that new wheel? Hold on tight!
With the standard Sport Chrono Package the new rotary Mode Switch on the wheel gains a Sport Response Button, basically a push-to-pass function to deliver 'instantaneous acceleration' for up to 20 seconds. You know, for when your Turbo S doesn't quite feel quick enough already.

Speaking of numbers the regular Turbo now hits 62 in three dead and gains 3mph on the top end to reach 198mph while the S does the same in 2.9 and on to 205mph. Tweaks to electronic engine and transmission management mean fuel consumption improves by around 2mpg on all models too. Exterior changes are minor, extending to a few more vents here and there, revised lights and a rear deck above the engine. Oh, and the door handles are now 'smoother and cleaner'.

The standard PASM 'offers an even greater spread between performance and comfort' while, as before, the S gets all the tech goodies Porsche can throw at it, including PDCC active anti-roll, PCCB ceramic brakes and a new seven-spoke centre lock wheel. The standard Turbo, meanwhile, gains half an inch of wheel width to bring it into line with the S in terms of size. In terms of equipment all Turbos get the new 360mm GT steering wheel with aforementioned Mode Switch, four-wheel steering, Porsche Active Aerodynamics, LED headlights, voice controlled/Apple Carplay ready Porsche Communication Management with online nav plus front and rear parking sensors. This starts at £126,925 for the coupe and £135,766 for the Cabriolet. For £145,773 (£154,614 for the Cab) you get the full S package with hardware upgrades detailed above, fancier seats and leather various other upgrades.

In short; the same but more so.







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MrBarry123

Original Poster:

6,027 posts

121 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Great cars I'm sure however these look overpriced when compared with the 570S.

red997

1,304 posts

209 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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different type of car to the 570S IMHO

starting prices are about the same - and thats about it !

Personally, I still prefer the Porsche GT range, but can appreciate the sheer grunt & luxury of a Turbo S

DMC2

1,830 posts

211 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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MrBarry123 said:
Great cars I'm sure however these look overpriced when compared with the 570S.
Which has 2 seats and is 2 wheel drive. The cars are not in the same category, the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car. The 570s is a toy.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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DMC2 said:
the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car.
I honestly don't believe that category exists.

I'd take the McLaren, or an ordinary 911 for a lot less money. I suspect there's better value at the bottom of the McLaren range than at the top of the Porsche range.

tuffer

8,849 posts

267 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Ozzie Osmond said:
I honestly don't believe that category exists.

I'd take the McLaren, or an ordinary 911 for a lot less money. I suspect there's better value at the bottom of the McLaren range than at the top of the Porsche range.
But that would be just your choice and your opinion, others may differ.

MrBarry123

Original Poster:

6,027 posts

121 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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DMC2 said:
MrBarry123 said:
Great cars I'm sure however these look overpriced when compared with the 570S.
Which has 2 seats and is 2 wheel drive. The cars are not in the same category, the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car. The 570s is a toy.
I'd quite happily drive the 570S every day and being in the South East, I've never needed any more than 2 wheels to be driven.

I don't completely disagree with you however my only point would be that if I had £150k to spend on a car, I am sure I would see the 570S and Turbo S as competitors and would almost certainly pick the 570S.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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"the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car." Yes ... right .... when did you last see a family of 4 out on a shopping / sightseeing trip in a 911 ?

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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GranCab said:
"the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car." Yes ... right .... when did you last see a family of 4 out on a shopping / sightseeing trip in a 911 ?
Are family cars only to be used for shopping & sightseeing?

I know loads of guys with 911s, bought purely because they *can* fit 2 small kids in. It isn't their prime family car, but is done so that the family can fit in. Huge USP for a 911, especially Turbo.

tuffer

8,849 posts

267 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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GranCab said:
"the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car." Yes ... right .... when did you last see a family of 4 out on a shopping / sightseeing trip in a 911 ?
You can fit two adults, luggage for a fortnight and two sets of golf cubs in a 911. What other car with the same performance could you do that with?

LotusOmega375D

7,598 posts

153 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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I agree about the 2+2 benefit of a 911. Surely many of their customers must be wealthy parents with young families? Even if it's only for taking them all on a weekend trip out. You can then use it for the weekday commute to Guildford station as well.

Joeguard1990

1,181 posts

126 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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tuffer said:
You can fit two adults, luggage for a fortnight and two sets of golf cubs in a 911. What other car with the same performance could you do that with?
A Nissan GTR....

dvs_dave

8,598 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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DMC2 said:
Which has 2 seats and is 2 wheel drive. The cars are not in the same category, the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car. The 570s is a toy.
Family sports car? I'm not sure anyone buys a 911 because of its family friendliness. It's not a family car in any way shape or form, despite its token rear seats. You'd have to be a pretty odd person to actually consider the family practicalities of a 911 Turbo over something like a 570S. If you're in the market for a 150 grand sports car and have a family, you're not a one car household. And if you are then you need to be having a stern word with yourself about priorities.

Magic919

14,126 posts

201 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Lots of people buy the 911 for its 'token rear seats' as someone mentioned earlier in the thread.

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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dvs_dave said:
DMC2 said:
Which has 2 seats and is 2 wheel drive. The cars are not in the same category, the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car. The 570s is a toy.
Family sports car? I'm not sure anyone buys a 911 because of its family friendliness. It's not a family car in any way shape or form, despite its token rear seats. You'd have to be a pretty odd person to actually consider the family practicalities of a 911 Turbo over something like a 570S. If you're in the market for a 150 grand sports car and have a family, you're not a one car household. And if you are then you need to be having a stern word with yourself about priorities.
But a big pull of a 911 over a 570S is that, if you have a child or 2, you CAN use the Porsche. A 570S would be pretty much a single occupancy car. As mentioned above, the family practicalities of a 911 have influenced many peoples purchases (including instead of getting a Cayman) that I know.

SuperVM

1,098 posts

161 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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dvs_dave said:
DMC2 said:
Which has 2 seats and is 2 wheel drive. The cars are not in the same category, the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car. The 570s is a toy.
Family sports car? I'm not sure anyone buys a 911 because of its family friendliness. It's not a family car in any way shape or form, despite its token rear seats. You'd have to be a pretty odd person to actually consider the family practicalities of a 911 Turbo over something like a 570S. If you're in the market for a 150 grand sports car and have a family, you're not a one car household. And if you are then you need to be having a stern word with yourself about priorities.
A two car household may require a second car that can be used for family duties on occasion. I've had two seater cars in the past and have found opportunity to use them pretty rare with two young children, so I try to make my fun car family friendly.

braddo

10,425 posts

188 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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SuperVM said:
dvs_dave said:
Family sports car? I'm not sure anyone buys a 911 because of its family friendliness. It's not a family car in any way shape or form, despite its token rear seats. You'd have to be a pretty odd person to actually consider the family practicalities of a 911 Turbo over something like a 570S. If you're in the market for a 150 grand sports car and have a family, you're not a one car household. And if you are then you need to be having a stern word with yourself about priorities.
A two car household may require a second car that can be used for family duties on occasion. I've had two seater cars in the past and have found opportunity to use them pretty rare with two young children, so I try to make my fun car family friendly.
+1 yes

FD3Si

857 posts

144 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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GranCab said:
"the turbo/s is an everyday family sports car." Yes ... right .... when did you last see a family of 4 out on a shopping / sightseeing trip in a 911 ?
At the risk of being a typical PH arse, I've quite often seen my neighbour and his family of four out in their 997 C4S cab smile I can only guess that some of these are for shopping/leisure purposes though.

Like above, my fun car is a 2 seater. With a family of 3 I very rarely find any chance to use it at all, hence why it sits untaxed for such a long period of time. I'm a bit gutted I haven't got the 2+2 version as that would at least mean we could all go out together.

Edited by FD3Si on Tuesday 1st December 12:45

athol

325 posts

210 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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After having owned 993,996 and 997 turbos, I find it very strange how they've managed to remove all the emotion from what should be a benchmark launch. The 993s are awesome, 996s are great too but the 997 started this trend by becoming lardy and really not that good looking. The 991s have continued that trend. What a shame.

Amazing though it may be, it stirs no emotion in me at all. Considering how dyed in the wool Porsche I was in the past, that means that they've either triumphed by making these appeal to a wider audience than the one that i'm in, or they have failed dramatically by alienating the enthusiast. Depends how you look at it. I guess the accounting department at Porscheplatz have won here again.

justboxsters

135 posts

166 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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£150k for a 911 Turbo is nuts. There so boring to look at. Not in a good way like a basic 3.4. They looks rubbish to my eye. 570S or basic 3.4 for me.

NEEEEXT!

dvs_dave

8,598 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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SuperVM said:
A two car household may require a second car that can be used for family duties on occasion. I've had two seater cars in the past and have found opportunity to use them pretty rare with two young children, so I try to make my fun car family friendly.
When on a budget, compromises have to be made. However what people don't seem to appreciate is that we're talking 150 grand sports cars here. This is generally not a market were big compromises and a restriction to 2 cars is normal.