Police officer texting whilst driving

Police officer texting whilst driving

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Ari

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19,347 posts

215 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...

This is getting ridiculous now, law makers REALLY need to get a grip on it. Needs to be stigmatised and punished like drink driving with instant and long bans.

Mind you, if those enforcing the law are doing it, what hope is there?

Durzel

12,261 posts

168 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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"Those" being this one officer.

This is the problem with trenchant anti-Police rhetoric - isolated instances of coppers doing wrong = implication that whole system is rotten to the core.

Ordinary folk aren't held up to anything like this unrealistic standard - we can all break the Law and it doesn't reflect at all on anyone else.

This cop did a stupid thing, broke the Law, and one should expect him to suffer the same punishment as a member of the public, on top of whatever is deemed appropriate professionally given the circumstances. End of.

ZX10R NIN

27,592 posts

125 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Was the guy filming driving? If so he was just as bad.

CTE

1,488 posts

240 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Police officers are only human and therefore a small number aren't very clever.

tony wright

1,004 posts

250 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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ZX10R NIN said:
Was the guy filming driving? If so he was just as bad.
No, states in the first sentence it was the passenger.

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

128 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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I've watched the vid a few times now and I'm not 100% sure it is a mobile. It's not very good footage, and it may the officers pocket/tetra set. Address and call details are sent to these when an officer is dispatched and whilst still not good, if he was checking this then it's perhaps not as bad as sending a txt. If he was on a mobile, then hopefully he will be dealt with appropriately. The same as anyone else would be. Stupid, stupid thing to do if that is txting.

Eclassy

1,201 posts

122 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Mk3Spitfire said:
I've watched the vid a few times now and I'm not 100% sure it is a mobile. It's not very good footage, and it may the officers pocket/tetra set.
Facepalm!

I saw this thread and decides not to post as others had posted my thoughts. Police are human, he made a mistake and the issue is already being dealt with appropriately. This is what most of us who want police accountability ask for.

But then you go and see a post like quoted above from a supposedly serving police officer and one despairs. Why make excuses for the officer when it doesnt seem like he is making one for himself. Are police officers not human who can make mistakes?
Even if he was not texting and was just looking at address and call details on his tetra set,were his actions any less dangerous than a trucker reading delivery details of his company issued tablet.

If this officer crashed into the back of a young lady stopped at a red light killing her instantly, I am sure you will be asking for him to be let off on the technicality that it was a tetra set and not a hand held mobile phone.


Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

128 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Eclassy said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
I've watched the vid a few times now and I'm not 100% sure it is a mobile. It's not very good footage, and it may the officers pocket/tetra set.
Facepalm!

I saw this thread and decides not to post as others had posted my thoughts. Police are human, he made a mistake and the issue is already being dealt with appropriately. This is what most of us who want police accountability ask for.

But then you go and see a post like quoted above from a supposedly serving police officer and one despairs. Why make excuses for the officer when it doesnt seem like he is making one for himself. Are police officers not human who can make mistakes?
Even if he was not texting and was just looking at address and call details on his tetra set,were his actions any less dangerous than a trucker reading delivery details of his company issued tablet.

If this officer crashed into the back of a young lady stopped at a red light killing her instantly, I am sure you will be asking for him to be let off on the technicality that it was a tetra set and not a hand held mobile phone.
You are a little dim, are you not.
Please refrain from quoting me in future. And if you must, don't pick and chose which bits you want to include to suit your own pathetic agendas.
Thank god you did decide to post something, as we all know how valuable your contributions are.

Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Wednesday 2nd December 07:43

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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CTE said:
Police officers are only human and therefore most aren't very clever.
Edited for my experience of humans.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Mk3Spitfire said:
I've watched the vid a few times now and I'm not 100% sure it is a mobile............ it may the officers pocket/tetra set.
A difference that makes no difference.

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Rovinghawk said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
I've watched the vid a few times now and I'm not 100% sure it is a mobile............ it may the officers pocket/tetra set.
A difference that makes no difference.
It is just as dangerous. It does mean, however, that the police can thus drive carelessly but it would be more difficult to get a conviction.




anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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The only difference would be if it falls or doesn't fall within the mobile phone legislation - I'm not familiar with the device Mk3Spitfire is referring to. Even if it doesn't count as a mobile, it's still poor perception-wise.

If the driver is judged to be driving without due care, it doesn't matter what the device is.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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La Liga said:
The only difference would be if it falls or doesn't fall within the mobile phone legislation
If it's a hand-held electronic device then I'd suggest it's within the scope.

If not, a charge similar to that of the motorist who ate the apple & got a FPN would be appropriate.

Bigends

5,416 posts

128 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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La Liga said:
The only difference would be if it falls or doesn't fall within the mobile phone legislation - I'm not familiar with the device Mk3Spitfire is referring to. Even if it doesn't count as a mobile, it's still poor perception-wise.

If the driver is judged to be driving without due care, it doesn't matter what the device is.
Theyre no different to a mobile to use with a keypad and screen - bit like an old Nokia they dont class as mobile phones but are equally as distracting and dangerous to use on the move

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Rovinghawk said:
If it's a hand-held electronic device then I'd suggest it's within the scope.
It's not whether it's an 'electronic device' or not - an iPod / dictaphone phone are electronic devices - it's whether or not it 'performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data'.

Legislation said:
'interactive communication function' includes the following:

(i)sending or receiving oral or written messages;

(ii)sending or receiving facsimile documents;

(iii)sending or receiving still or moving images; and

(iv)providing access to the internet;
The way I read that is the 'and' means it needs to have (iv) along with any of the proceeding to fall foul of the law, although I'm not certain on that. Agt would be ideal to answer the question.







Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Bigends said:
distracting and dangerous to use on the move
This is what matters.
So FPN similar to the one the apple-eater received.

bitchstewie

51,176 posts

210 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Mk3Spitfire said:
I've watched the vid a few times now and I'm not 100% sure it is a mobile. It's not very good footage, and it may the officers pocket/tetra set. Address and call details are sent to these when an officer is dispatched and whilst still not good, if he was checking this then it's perhaps not as bad as sending a txt. If he was on a mobile, then hopefully he will be dealt with appropriately. The same as anyone else would be. Stupid, stupid thing to do if that is txting.
I'm a little surprised that Police are issued with something that would work like that tbh.

Whilst I seldom agree with what eclassy says from what I can remember of what he says, on this one I think he has a fair point - it would be disappointing to see anyone saying this is acceptable on the technicality that it isn't a mobile phone.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Why would you agree with him? He's making a non-existing point by selectively misquoting someone who was raising a point.

It's either falls within the mobile phone legislation or it doesn't.

If it doesn't there's the option for 'not being in proper control of a vehicle' and the driving standard offence of 'due care and attention', should the evidence be sufficient for those.




BertBert

19,034 posts

211 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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La Liga said:
Legislation said:
'interactive communication function' includes the following:

(i)sending or receiving oral or written messages;

(ii)sending or receiving facsimile documents;

(iii)sending or receiving still or moving images; and

(iv)providing access to the internet;
The way I read that is the 'and' means it needs to have (iv) along with any of the proceeding to fall foul of the law, although I'm not certain on that. Agt would be ideal to answer the question.
I don't read it like that and it doesn't make sense to me to be so. I think it means interactive comms fn includes a, b, c and d.
IANAL
Bert

bitchstewie

51,176 posts

210 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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La Liga said:
Why would you agree with him? He's making a non-existing point by selectively misquoting someone who was raising a point.

It's either falls within the mobile phone legislation or it doesn't.

If it doesn't there's the option for 'not being in proper control of a vehicle' and the driving standard offence of 'due care and attention', should the evidence be sufficient for those.
The way I interpreted Mk3's post was that if he was on a mobile take action, if it was a "tetra" it's not a mobile so that's OK.

Not sure if that's how it was intended or if it's simply how I read it, but it seems weird if Police are sending details on where to go next to handheld devices that work like a mobile phone so are in all but name.