Buying a used car from a trader in the UK
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Hi
Apologies if this sounds straightforward to most, but would appreciate if someone could throw some light on the process of buying a car from a trader in the UK. Being from abroad, I'm not familiar with the system, I've tried to read up on the net and getting quite lost in the sections of the V5 and its different coloured bits!
If I buy a car from a trader, should his details be anywhere on the V5? Or would I normally just get the V5 with (only) the previous owner's details + an invoice from the trader? Thing is I will be exporting the car out of the UK to Poland, where sometimes the registration office likes to be quite anal - especially around 'continuity of ownership'. I.e. there should be a traceable line of ownership back to the last person in the registration document. So if I only have a V5 with the previous owner's details and an invoice from the trader there is a gap (i.e. no proof the trader has come into the possession of the car lawfully). Just want to make sure I get this straight - untangling the issue might be hard from 2000km away!
Thanks for any help/insight.
PS Is this law or general gassing?
Apologies if this sounds straightforward to most, but would appreciate if someone could throw some light on the process of buying a car from a trader in the UK. Being from abroad, I'm not familiar with the system, I've tried to read up on the net and getting quite lost in the sections of the V5 and its different coloured bits!
If I buy a car from a trader, should his details be anywhere on the V5? Or would I normally just get the V5 with (only) the previous owner's details + an invoice from the trader? Thing is I will be exporting the car out of the UK to Poland, where sometimes the registration office likes to be quite anal - especially around 'continuity of ownership'. I.e. there should be a traceable line of ownership back to the last person in the registration document. So if I only have a V5 with the previous owner's details and an invoice from the trader there is a gap (i.e. no proof the trader has come into the possession of the car lawfully). Just want to make sure I get this straight - untangling the issue might be hard from 2000km away!
Thanks for any help/insight.
PS Is this law or general gassing?
Edited by menoy on Tuesday 1st December 23:26
When a trader buys the car, they fill in the yellow section of the V5 and send it back to DVSA.
The majority of the V5 will be present, including the Green Slip. There will be no printed details of the trader on the V5.
When you buy the car, then the trader fills in your details (change of registered keeper) and the green slip.
You get only the green slip.
The remainder of the V5 (large part) will be sent back to DVSA.
DVSA will then register the vehicle in your name and you will receive a complete new V5 document in your name via the address you fill in on the original document.
If you were to sell to a trader, then they will fill in the yellow slip.
If you sell to a private individual then you fill in the V5 and the green slip.
The new keeper takes ONLY the green slip and you post back the completed V5 to the DVSA.
...or something!
Hope this helps.
G.
The majority of the V5 will be present, including the Green Slip. There will be no printed details of the trader on the V5.
When you buy the car, then the trader fills in your details (change of registered keeper) and the green slip.
You get only the green slip.
The remainder of the V5 (large part) will be sent back to DVSA.
DVSA will then register the vehicle in your name and you will receive a complete new V5 document in your name via the address you fill in on the original document.
If you were to sell to a trader, then they will fill in the yellow slip.
If you sell to a private individual then you fill in the V5 and the green slip.
The new keeper takes ONLY the green slip and you post back the completed V5 to the DVSA.
...or something!
Hope this helps.
G.
Edited by Gallen on Wednesday 2nd December 12:45
Gallen said:
When a trader buys the car, they fill in the yellow section of the V5 and send it back to DVSA.
The majority of the V5 will be present, including the Green Slip. There will be no printed details of the trader on the V5.
When you buy the car, then the trader fills in your details (change of registered keeper) and the green slip.
You get only the green slip.
The remainder of the V5 (large part) will be sent back to DVSA.
DVSA will then register the vehicle in your name and you will receive a complete new V5 document in your name via the address you fill in on the original document.
If you were to sell to a trader, then they will fill in the yellow slip.
If you sell to a private individual then you fill in the V5 and the green slip.
The new keeper takes ONLY the green slip and you post back the completed V5 to the DVSA.
...or something!
Hope this helps.
G.
The majority of the V5 will be present, including the Green Slip. There will be no printed details of the trader on the V5.
When you buy the car, then the trader fills in your details (change of registered keeper) and the green slip.
You get only the green slip.
The remainder of the V5 (large part) will be sent back to DVSA.
DVSA will then register the vehicle in your name and you will receive a complete new V5 document in your name via the address you fill in on the original document.
If you were to sell to a trader, then they will fill in the yellow slip.
If you sell to a private individual then you fill in the V5 and the green slip.
The new keeper takes ONLY the green slip and you post back the completed V5 to the DVSA.
...or something!
Hope this helps.
G.
Edited by Gallen on Wednesday 2nd December 12:45
Dont think thats correct for exporting vehicles. There is an export section on the V5 that needs to be completed and the buyer takes the whole thing. Cant remember exactly how it works but I sold my Accord last year to Poland and the instructions on the V5 for the export are pretty clear.
PulsatingStar said:
Dont think thats correct for exporting vehicles. There is an export section on the V5 that needs to be completed and the buyer takes the whole thing. Cant remember exactly how it works but I sold my Accord last year to Poland and the instructions on the V5 for the export are pretty clear.
Valid - didnt notice that bit. Cheers for flagging.Normally you'll have to fill out the V5 when you collect the car and then will get one back in your name in the post a few weeks later, When i registered my formerly UK registered car in Poland Urząd Komunikacji wanted the UK v5 to be in my name and translated by a sworn translator, You'll also need your original sales invoice from the dealer you buy the car from again translated into Polish.
Its also worth pointing out that when buying a car in the UK you'll need to buy insurance straight away as the insurance is connected to the driver and the car as opposed to just the car. You'll also need to pay road tax from the day you collect the car. (Another option is sorting out german transit plates)
If you need any other help let me know as we've done this a few times and will be doing it again very shortly to replace the car we've just had stolen.
If you can keep it road legal for a year on UK plates you can get around paying akcyza too, I refuse to pay it as its an illegal tax
Its also worth pointing out that when buying a car in the UK you'll need to buy insurance straight away as the insurance is connected to the driver and the car as opposed to just the car. You'll also need to pay road tax from the day you collect the car. (Another option is sorting out german transit plates)
If you need any other help let me know as we've done this a few times and will be doing it again very shortly to replace the car we've just had stolen.
If you can keep it road legal for a year on UK plates you can get around paying akcyza too, I refuse to pay it as its an illegal tax
PulsatingStar said:
Dont think thats correct for exporting vehicles. There is an export section on the V5 that needs to be completed and the buyer takes the whole thing. Cant remember exactly how it works but I sold my Accord last year to Poland and the instructions on the V5 for the export are pretty clear.
Almost. Purchaser needs the whole V5, minus the yellow slip and export slip, and the seller needs to write to DVSA stating the name and address of the person they've sold the car to and the fact that it's being exported.The export slip is only if the registered keeper is exporting the car.
Having said that I've sold loads of cars for export, as a dealer, and only ever sent off the export slip.
Thanks everyone for the help - never seen a V5 in my life, so was not aware of that top part of it. Indeed, makes things a bit clearer.
PS Have confirmed I will be getting the whole V5 from the trader. Car is also SORNed and will be trailered back to Poland, so understand tax and insurance are not an issue.
PS Have confirmed I will be getting the whole V5 from the trader. Car is also SORNed and will be trailered back to Poland, so understand tax and insurance are not an issue.
CDB1983 said:
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If you need any other help let me know as we've done this a few times and will be doing it again very shortly to replace the car we've just had stolen.
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Any company you can perhaps recommend to transport the car to Poland? Or did you always drive?If you need any other help let me know as we've done this a few times and will be doing it again very shortly to replace the car we've just had stolen.
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Also - assuming I only come to the UK to buy the car and leave with it the same day (not the case this time, but lets hypothesise). Does the Polish registration office expect the DVLA to send a V5 in my name to Poland? Does this work for cars being exported immediately after purchase at all?
DVLA will only issue a V5C to an address in the UK, and not to an address in mainland Europe.
As long as it is a UK address on the V5C at which you can be contacted... So maybe name your address as your hotel's after asking your friendly hotel owner to pass the new V5C (in your name) on to you when it arrives? And if you can provide evidence that you were there at the relevant time (hotel, ferry and/or airline reciepts), it will hopefully work in your favour and make re-registering your car easy .
As long as it is a UK address on the V5C at which you can be contacted... So maybe name your address as your hotel's after asking your friendly hotel owner to pass the new V5C (in your name) on to you when it arrives? And if you can provide evidence that you were there at the relevant time (hotel, ferry and/or airline reciepts), it will hopefully work in your favour and make re-registering your car easy
.menoy said:
CDB1983 said:
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If you need any other help let me know as we've done this a few times and will be doing it again very shortly to replace the car we've just had stolen.
(...)
Any company you can perhaps recommend to transport the car to Poland? Or did you always drive?If you need any other help let me know as we've done this a few times and will be doing it again very shortly to replace the car we've just had stolen.
(...)
Also - assuming I only come to the UK to buy the car and leave with it the same day (not the case this time, but lets hypothesise). Does the Polish registration office expect the DVLA to send a V5 in my name to Poland? Does this work for cars being exported immediately after purchase at all?
In terms of shipping I usually drive as its easier and much quicker as my sister still lives in the UK (I have the v5 sent to her address),
You could try a website called shiply, the quotes for transport usually seem quite reasonable. 1000 ish PLN to Poznan/Bydgoszcz from the south of England. I've had a few quotes in the past but decided to go back to the UK as I usually have things to sort out in any case so just combine the trip.
Unless its a RHD only car ie Japanese import I personally would buy in Germany (We are looking now) as the GBP is really quite strong compared to the Zloty, 6 as opposed to the average 5 over the last 10 years.
On another note, What the hell is wrong with the used car market in Poland! I've looked at 5/6 cars this week all described as "Jak Nowy" and "Igla" which turned out to be badly repaired accident damaged vehicles from Switzerland and Austria
Breadvan72 said:
OP, you are Joseph Conrad AICMFP. Or should that be you are Konrad Korzeniowski and I claim my five zlotys?
Prefer the latter, much cheaper!CDB1983 said:
Unfortunately they seem to expect a v5 in your name, (Different registration offices may operate differently but the one in Bydgoszcz are really pedantic) When you buy a car in the UK you usually only get to keep the green slip which isn't accepted in Poland, They only seem to accept the full v5.
In terms of shipping I usually drive as its easier and much quicker as my sister still lives in the UK (I have the v5 sent to her address),
You could try a website called shiply, the quotes for transport usually seem quite reasonable. 1000 ish PLN to Poznan/Bydgoszcz from the south of England. I've had a few quotes in the past but decided to go back to the UK as I usually have things to sort out in any case so just combine the trip.
Unless its a RHD only car ie Japanese import I personally would buy in Germany (We are looking now) as the GBP is really quite strong compared to the Zloty, 6 as opposed to the average 5 over the last 10 years.
On another note, What the hell is wrong with the used car market in Poland! I've looked at 5/6 cars this week all described as "Jak Nowy" and "Igla" which turned out to be badly repaired accident damaged vehicles from Switzerland and Austria
Not sure if you should bother looking any further then, vast majority will probably be of that type - from western Europe, odometer turned back, accident repaired and advertised as the holy grail of used cars. It's like a needle in a haystack.In terms of shipping I usually drive as its easier and much quicker as my sister still lives in the UK (I have the v5 sent to her address),
You could try a website called shiply, the quotes for transport usually seem quite reasonable. 1000 ish PLN to Poznan/Bydgoszcz from the south of England. I've had a few quotes in the past but decided to go back to the UK as I usually have things to sort out in any case so just combine the trip.
Unless its a RHD only car ie Japanese import I personally would buy in Germany (We are looking now) as the GBP is really quite strong compared to the Zloty, 6 as opposed to the average 5 over the last 10 years.
On another note, What the hell is wrong with the used car market in Poland! I've looked at 5/6 cars this week all described as "Jak Nowy" and "Igla" which turned out to be badly repaired accident damaged vehicles from Switzerland and Austria
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