RE: Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo | Spotted

RE: Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo | Spotted

Thursday 25th April

Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo | Spotted

Affordable Italian sports cars have come and gone since, but few hold a candle to Fiat's turbocharged Coupe...


We’re in desperate need of an affordable, two-door Italian sports car. Now, that hasn’t been through a lack of trying: Alfa Romeo came so close with the 4C, with its stunning looks (bug-eyed headlights aside), carbon tub and rorty four-pot turbo engine. Frustratingly, a questionable suspension setup resulted in a busy ride on UK roads, meaning it wasn’t nearly as good to drive as it was to look at. Then there was the Fiat 124 Spider, a car that ought to have been a slam dunk given that it's essentially a rebodied MX-5 with an in-house turbo engine. And yet, neither it nor the Abarth version seemed quite as responsive as the Mazda.

Which isn't to say that the affordable Italian sports car hasn't been a benchmark for driver involvement. The Alfa Romeo Brera was very pretty (from the front at least) and had a throaty bark when paired with a 3.2-litre V6. It's just the chassis was so underwhelming that it took an overhaul from Prodrive to sort it all out. But that doesn’t make the standard cars any less desirable, because even though they’re far from an enthusiasts' dream, they’re stylish and exotic enough for the pros to arguably outweigh the cons. So when was the last time Italy launched a properly sorted sports car? Well, it may have been this: the Fiat Coupe

Arriving in the UK in 1995, the Coupe turned up in a bustling sports car market spearheaded by the MX-5, MGF and Alfa Romeo GTV to name but a few. It was an immediate hit, with razor-sharp styling designed by Chris Bangle (then at Pininfarina) that cut through the conservative efforts of rivals and supported the technically related GTV brilliantly as a cheaper, yet more aggressive-looking alternative. The interior was just as stylish, with a band of body-coloured trim wrapped around the dashboard with and a Pininfarina logo mounted above the central air vents. From every angle, both inside and out, the Coupe oozed coolness.

It drove properly, too. Although the Coupe sent its power to the front axle (most of the competition were rear-drive) the fully-independent suspension - with MacPherson struts at the front and rear trailing arms mounted to a separate subframe - gave the platform an innate agility that went down a treat with reviewers and enthusiasts. Brembo brakes added to its performance credentials, while all UK cars came with a limited-slip differential to put the power down without completely losing the plot.

Then there are the engines themselves. At launch, the car was offered with an array of four-cylinder petrol motors, including the 2.0-litre 16v engine from the Lancia Delta HF Integrale - yet it’s the 20v inline-five that everyone associates with the Coupe. Five-cylinder motors were just as much of a rarity back in the '90s as they are today (more so, even), so not only did the Coupe look distinct, it sounded unlike anything else on sale. Naturally aspirated versions delivered a decent 147hp, but turbocharged cars like the one you see here dialled that up to 220hp. Performance was rapid, with 62mph coming about in 6.3 seconds, which put it ahead of the V6-engined GTV until Alfa refreshed it in 2000. Even then, performance was near identical.

Fiat sold thousands of them, with the 20v Turbo being by far the most popular in Britain. Because they were so affordable and immensely desirable, there are a lot of tatty examples out there that can be had for just over £5k. This isn’t one of them, however, with this 1998 car being the tidiest-looking Coupe we’ve seen in a long time. It’s a low miler with 52,000 tallied, although the seller claims it’s only driven 900 of those over the last two years. They also claim it doesn’t have an MOT and won’t be sold with one, but running over the recent history reveals clean passes in ’21 and ’22. It’s currently up for £9,000, which seems chunky before you consider that you rarely find them as clean and original as this. Alternative, there’s a rarer LE versions (Recaro seats, body-coloured trim etc) for just under £4k more with a fresh MOT included. Decisions, decisions… 


SPECIFICATION | FIAT COUPE 20V TURBO

Engine: 1,998cc five-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: six-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 220@5,750rpm
Torque (lb ft): 229@2,500rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 1998
Recorded mileage: 52,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £9,000

See the original advert here

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Benzinaio

Original Poster:

90 posts

3 months

Thursday 25th April
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If I had the spare funds and the means to dry store it I would.
Not what you'd call pretty but they're unlike anything else. Before or since.

Augustus Windsock

3,371 posts

156 months

Thursday 25th April
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Why on earth would they want to sell it with no mot?
Makes me think of one of Blackadders lines,
“I smell something fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldrick's apple crumble.”
Surely they could ask more for the car with one?

Dombilano

1,146 posts

56 months

Thursday 25th April
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What kind of dealer sells a car boldly claiming to get it on a trailer, as they can't be arsed MOT'ing it?
Either that or its gonna fail, the MOT history isn't exactly Lenor fresh.

simongrif2010

14 posts

123 months

Thursday 25th April
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“No MOT” & bring a trailer seems a bit odd to me. So presumably you can’t drive before you buy either…Also ten services in 26 years is a bit thin. It is a lovely example but the 90’s are a long time ago in car design in terms of driving feel.

mooseracer

1,901 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th April
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Benzinaio said:
If I had the spare funds and the means to dry store it I would.
Not what you'd call pretty but they're unlike anything else. Before or since.
I must have odd taste as I've always - and still do - like the look of these!

Stupid advert, would just about excuse a private seller not putting it in for an MOT if, for example, they'd inherited it. But not a dealer.

Turbobanana

6,292 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th April
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Dombilano said:
What kind of dealer sells a car boldly claiming to get it on a trailer, as they can't be arsed MOT'ing it?
Either that or its gonna fail, the MOT history isn't exactly Lenor fresh.
Could it be that they're acting on behalf of a widow/ widower / executor and their instructions are not to spend any money on it? Only plausible explanation I can come up with.

fatsams

24 posts

174 months

Thursday 25th April
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I love Italian cars and have some now. However, I agree with the previous comments, for an extra £54 it could have an MOT, selling it without one sends all the red flags flying. IMO, a stupid decision from a dealer. With an MOT I seriously would consider buying this car, it looks in very good condition, without one, NOT INTERESTED!

MCBrowncoat

888 posts

147 months

Thursday 25th April
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"Although the Coupe sent its power to the front axle (most of the competition were rear-drive)"

Contemporary affordable coupes you could buy new in the UK mid to late 90's? Hmmm

Alfa GTV
VW Corrado
Peugeot 406 Coupe
Hyundai Coupe
Megane Coupe
Integra
Probe
Calibra
Celica
Prelude
Audi TT
Rover 200

Now for the RWD...
200sx
MR2
Maybe a 3 series?


cerb4.5lee

30,725 posts

181 months

Thursday 25th April
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MCBrowncoat said:
"Although the Coupe sent its power to the front axle (most of the competition were rear-drive)"

Contemporary affordable coupes you could buy new in the UK mid to late 90's? Hmmm

Alfa GTV
VW Corrado
Peugeot 406 Coupe
Hyundai Coupe
Megane Coupe
Integra
Probe
Calibra
Celica
Prelude
Audi TT
Rover 200

Now for the RWD...
200sx
MR2
Maybe a 3 series?
FWD was king as you say, so that probably explains why I went with the 200SX instead! biggrin

All joking aside...it was a brilliant time back then to be into cars I reckon, and I've always been a big fan of these too. cool

KingGary

121 posts

1 month

Thursday 25th April
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I went to buy an Alfa GTV just before Christmas 1998. It was closed, but the Fiat dealer next door was open so I bought one of these instead - a 20vt in Portofino blue. Loved that car, went like the clappers, especially with a 300hp chip in it. Bizarrely traded it in for a Jag XK8 because I was young and stupid.

AmazingGrace

67 posts

5 months

Thursday 25th April
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MCBrowncoat said:
"Although the Coupe sent its power to the front axle (most of the competition were rear-drive)"

Contemporary affordable coupes you could buy new in the UK mid to late 90's? Hmmm

Alfa GTV
VW Corrado
Peugeot 406 Coupe
Hyundai Coupe
Megane Coupe
Integra
Probe
Calibra
Celica
Prelude
Audi TT
Rover 200

Now for the RWD...
200sx
MR2
Maybe a 3 series?
Had an 8v calibra back in the day, it was a great car. Not the finest handling machine but it looked good and was comfortable post rave.
Hardly any around now

Horsebox Man

89 posts

17 months

Thursday 25th April
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I test drove one of these when they were new and then straight to Nissan to test the S14, I bought the Nissan and have no regrets.

J4CKO

41,628 posts

201 months

Thursday 25th April
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Had one back in the day, mine had been run short of oil, dealer nfi, managed to sell it as needing work and was upfront about it, unlike this seller.

Nine grand for a car with no MOT, an MOT test is £50, if its worth nine grand, thats all that needs spending, otherwise if anything else needs spending well thats eating into your nine grand isnt it as thats good money for one of these thats not a special edition. Plus there is the faff of taking it, getting the work done and retests, that is your time and money.

If nothing in, run it in for an MOT, even if you arent going to attend to any fails or advisories then the buyer has some idea of what they are getting into, I sold an MGF a few months back, failed MOT and the buyer took it, sorted those items and presented it for a fresh MOT, the car was £600 and maybe worth double that with a fresh MOT, so really, this is three or four grands worth without an MOT.

If you arent interested in sorting your car yet still wanting top money, then I am not interested in buying and paying top money, cake and eat it springs to mind. There might be some circumstances like someone mentioned, but still its a financial transaction and competes on the same level as all others and that is immaterial to a buyer.

A mate recommissioned his mums old 16 valve (also yellow) that had been sat ten years in a dry garage, he spent a fortune on new tyres, brakes, fluids, alternator, service, some electrical niggles before it got an MOT, then a few old car starting issues after, I drove it and it felt old and slow, a 20VT wont feel slow, but will still feel old and a bit creaky.



Edited by J4CKO on Thursday 25th April 08:33

RSstuff

348 posts

16 months

Thursday 25th April
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Ugly from every angle.

trevalvole

1,009 posts

34 months

Thursday 25th April
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MCBrowncoat said:
"Although the Coupe sent its power to the front axle (most of the competition were rear-drive)"

Contemporary affordable coupes you could buy new in the UK mid to late 90's? Hmmm

Alfa GTV
VW Corrado
Peugeot 406 Coupe
Hyundai Coupe
Megane Coupe
Integra
Probe
Calibra
Celica
Prelude
Audi TT
Rover 200

Now for the RWD...
200sx
MR2
Maybe a 3 series?
And the writer seems determined that it is a sports car e.g.

Article said:
...the Coupe turned up in a bustling sports car market...
whereas I'd suggest that the FIAT Coupe is, err, a coupe.

Mr_Sukebe

376 posts

209 months

Thursday 25th April
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200SX was my choice back in the day.


I did think that the 20v was because it was 5 valves per cylinder and NOT 5 cylinders

SuperPav

1,093 posts

126 months

Thursday 25th April
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I'm normally relatively reserved and wouldn't comment just to moan, but the MOT thing really is taking the absolute piss on this one.

I get it if you're getting rid of a PX or a stter, but when the dealer is charging absolute top whack because apparently the car is in such good nick, and they can't stick an MOT on it, they must be proper sketchy. I wouldn't got anywhere near them on that basis alone.


Love the car and the colour though, and if it really was mint (which given above reservations it probably isn't) and sold by someone decent, £9k seems fair for a great example.

C5_Steve

3,126 posts

104 months

Thursday 25th April
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SuperPav said:
I'm normally relatively reserved and wouldn't comment just to moan, but the MOT thing really is taking the absolute piss on this one.

I get it if you're getting rid of a PX or a stter, but when the dealer is charging absolute top whack because apparently the car is in such good nick, and they can't stick an MOT on it, they must be proper sketchy. I wouldn't got anywhere near them on that basis alone.


Love the car and the colour though, and if it really was mint (which given above reservations it probably isn't) and sold by someone decent, £9k seems fair for a great example.
Spot on, no MOT might be ok in those circumstances as you'd take a punt after giving it a good look over but asking big money for one apparently so mint but not having the faith to MOT it will put a lot off I'd imagine. Lunacy.

Pereldh

542 posts

113 months

Thursday 25th April
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Writer got most of his facts wrong here - but hey, in the words of Homer Simpson, "facts are meaningless" biggrin

among them, Bangle worked at Fiat, not Pininfarina (exterior was designed inhouse), all turbo Coupe's had viscodiff, and the most vital upgrade on the LE was 6-speed box (which also was added to all Turbo's in 99-00)

My own '98 20V Turbo was the best car I've had yet.


bmv6197

75 posts

104 months

Thursday 25th April
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Love these - saw (and photographed) a very early one parked in a crowded street in Rome in the early-mid nineties. Same colour as this - thought it oozed cool. But then pretty much everything in Rome seemed to, especially for a 20 year old who’d never been to continental Europe.

Would still love to add one to the garage, although the whole “no MoT” thing seems a bit odd, as others have said, so maybe worth looking elsewhere. Wouldn’t mind a contemporary Alfa GTV with the Busso engine either. But my wife is still imposing her “no Alfa” rule after my year of grumpiness when I owned my last Alfa…