What suit for hill climbing...
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somthing along these lines: www.advanced-wear.co.uk/page4.html
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
lord summerisle said:
somthing along these lines: www.advanced-wear.co.uk/page4.html
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
Proban... eurgh. About as up-to-date as the bible.
Get yourself some Carbon-X, that way you can sit and relax in the burning wreckage while you wait for the marshalls to arrive.
MrKipling43 said:
Proban... eurgh. About as up-to-date as the bible.
Get yourself some Carbon-X, that way you can sit and relax in the burning wreckage while you wait for the marshalls to arrive.
true... but i'm talking a bear min. rather than unlimited budjet which of course would be base layer, triple layer suit, fire retardant boots, gloves, balaclarva & linging to helmet.
but what you *need* as a min is a single layer of proban covering your arms, legs and torso
lord summerisle said:
MrKipling43 said:
Proban... eurgh. About as up-to-date as the bible.
Get yourself some Carbon-X, that way you can sit and relax in the burning wreckage while you wait for the marshalls to arrive.
true... but i'm talking a bear min. rather than unlimited budjet which of course would be base layer, triple layer suit, fire retardant boots, gloves, balaclarva & linging to helmet.
but what you *need* as a min is a single layer of proban covering your arms, legs and torso
You're absolutely right, but for the sake of fifty quid...
www.saferacer.com/caxun.html
still wouldnt want to sit in a burning car for any length of time... 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlXqyLoABYQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlXqyLoABYQ
Edited by lord summerisle on Tuesday 24th April 15:11
lord summerisle said:
somthing along these lines: www.advanced-wear.co.uk/page4.html
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
I can recommend AWS, fast friendly service, and the suit fits fine.
they send you a measurements form and if you match a regular size then they'll send you a standard suit, if you are a funny shape, they take your measurements and make you a one-off suit.
i also got their gloves and boots.
eccles said:
lord summerisle said:
somthing along these lines: www.advanced-wear.co.uk/page4.html
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
fire proof/resistant gloves, boots and balacarva are, i believe, recommended, but not mandatory for hillclimbing.
Tho i dont have a copy the blue book so you need to check in there - a suit with closed collar and arm and leg cuffs like the AWS one is about all you need. (or proban long johns under your tweed suit is fine if campainging in your Austin 7
I can recommend AWS, fast friendly service, and the suit fits fine.
they send you a measurements form and if you match a regular size then they'll send you a standard suit, if you are a funny shape, they take your measurements and make you a one-off suit.
i also got their gloves and boots.
Yeap, I've dealt with them too - very impressive.
I'd recommend AWS as well (my marshal gear came from them), and also www.racewear.co.uk (my proban hillclimb suit came from them).
It's always advisable to get the best you can afford, but I've never seen a "major" fire at a speed event.. fuel loads should be considerably lower than race events hence the likelihood of a major / lengthly blaze are much reduced. That's the reason why the MSA allow non-nomex gear for such events.
It's always advisable to get the best you can afford, but I've never seen a "major" fire at a speed event.. fuel loads should be considerably lower than race events hence the likelihood of a major / lengthly blaze are much reduced. That's the reason why the MSA allow non-nomex gear for such events.
I would agree - AWS are good, no doubt about it. Since you're not in the car for long, the way the suit breathes isn't too important.
If you have the money to spare, then Stand21 do some superb suits, and theirs breathe very well, helping you to keep cool. And they do some fancy designs!!
If you have the money to spare, then Stand21 do some superb suits, and theirs breathe very well, helping you to keep cool. And they do some fancy designs!!
With regards to the helmet, go and try it on at one of the leading suppliers.. Merlin Motorsport, Demon Tweeks, Rally Design etc.. Difficult to mail order such items. Prices start at £100 to £3000. If you're not fully converse with the "Blue Book" requirements, get professional advice from the suppliers (ask when the helmet certificate runs out!).
Dan Friel said:
With regards to the helmet, go and try it on at one of the leading suppliers.. Merlin Motorsport, Demon Tweeks, Rally Design etc.. Difficult to mail order such items. Prices start at £100 to £3000. If you're not fully converse with the "Blue Book" requirements, get professional advice from the suppliers (ask when the helmet certificate runs out!).
Grand Prix Racewear are good for skid lids too. And HANS devices.
Hi,
If anyone out there has a copy of the current blue book, could they please list the spec for the suit and also the helmet requirements for hillclimbs.
It's a few years since I competed and am thinking of giving it a go again, for one event, to see how the current car fits in.
Can't remember the suit BS off hand but the helmet is an AGV to BS6658 : 1985, Type A
It has a RACMSA blue sticker on it.
Mucho gratzious
If anyone out there has a copy of the current blue book, could they please list the spec for the suit and also the helmet requirements for hillclimbs.
It's a few years since I competed and am thinking of giving it a go again, for one event, to see how the current car fits in.
Can't remember the suit BS off hand but the helmet is an AGV to BS6658 : 1985, Type A
It has a RACMSA blue sticker on it.
Mucho gratzious
Blue book says
Suit/overalls:
Racing
FIA 8856-2000
FIA 1986 Standard
All other events
BS6249 part 1 Index A or B but not part C
BSEN533
pr EN533:1995 Index 3
or FIA as above.
It's the standard that counts, not the material, but Proban suits can be had for £75 or so while Nomex starts from £200. Proban will also only last for so many washes before requiring re-treating or replacing.
Helmet:
FIA 8860-2004
Snell SA 2005
Snell SA 2000
SFI 31.1A, 31.2A
BS6658 Type A/FR
BS6658-85 Type A
From personal experience if you present an old helmet for scrutineering then you should be prepared to demonstrate that it still fits correctly.
At Gurston on Sunday there was an incident in which a car collided with a marshalls' post, briefly hospitalising the driver and one marshall, and seriously injuring another marshall, so it's well worth taking the safety kit seriously, even for a hillclimb.
Suit/overalls:
Racing
FIA 8856-2000
FIA 1986 Standard
All other events
BS6249 part 1 Index A or B but not part C
BSEN533
pr EN533:1995 Index 3
or FIA as above.
It's the standard that counts, not the material, but Proban suits can be had for £75 or so while Nomex starts from £200. Proban will also only last for so many washes before requiring re-treating or replacing.
Helmet:
FIA 8860-2004
Snell SA 2005
Snell SA 2000
SFI 31.1A, 31.2A
BS6658 Type A/FR
BS6658-85 Type A
From personal experience if you present an old helmet for scrutineering then you should be prepared to demonstrate that it still fits correctly.
At Gurston on Sunday there was an incident in which a car collided with a marshalls' post, briefly hospitalising the driver and one marshall, and seriously injuring another marshall, so it's well worth taking the safety kit seriously, even for a hillclimb.
Dan Friel said:
I'd recommend AWS as well (my marshal gear came from them), and also www.racewear.co.uk (my proban hillclimb suit came from them).
It's always advisable to get the best you can afford, but I've never seen a "major" fire at a speed event.. fuel loads should be considerably lower than race events hence the likelihood of a major / lengthly blaze are much reduced. That's the reason why the MSA allow non-nomex gear for such events.
It's always advisable to get the best you can afford, but I've never seen a "major" fire at a speed event.. fuel loads should be considerably lower than race events hence the likelihood of a major / lengthly blaze are much reduced. That's the reason why the MSA allow non-nomex gear for such events.
Hi Dan - did you used to post on Ten Tenths?
I used to be on there as GI, I think.
tomkidd said:
Cheers. I'll be doing all this on a shoe string budget though...
I started sprinting with the same idea. But when I actually looked at what you get for your money I ended up buying Sparco kit from GPR. Suit £200. Hat £250. Boots £40. Gloves £10. Balaclava £10.
It was all FIA approved. The only downside is the cheaper nomex suits tend to be a bit thicker and therefore get hot in the summer.
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