So. Skyline or Supra?
Discussion
The Ricers thread was getting a bit vague and seeing as I've narrowed my choice to between two cars that I like the look of, I thought it was time to start a fresh thread.
I've joined www.gtr.co.uk for a bit more info on Skylines, but is there a similar Supra Forum?
I like the Supra for the following reasons:
Balanced
Nicely proportioned
Under-stressed Engine that can be tuned easily and safely.
RWD fun
I like the interior when leathered up.
Optional Aero-top.
I like the Skyline R33 GTR for these reasons:
Aggressive looks
Obscene Power available (tuned cars seem great value when compared to standard)
Ability to bend the laws of physics (not too sure wether thats a reason for, or against... but it's abilities).
If anyone is local to Kent and would let me have a spin, that would be great (don't really want to waste sellers time whilst still indecisive). Pint and a meat pie in it for ya
I've joined www.gtr.co.uk for a bit more info on Skylines, but is there a similar Supra Forum?
I like the Supra for the following reasons:
Balanced
Nicely proportioned
Under-stressed Engine that can be tuned easily and safely.
RWD fun
I like the interior when leathered up.
Optional Aero-top.
I like the Skyline R33 GTR for these reasons:
Aggressive looks
Obscene Power available (tuned cars seem great value when compared to standard)
Ability to bend the laws of physics (not too sure wether thats a reason for, or against... but it's abilities).
If anyone is local to Kent and would let me have a spin, that would be great (don't really want to waste sellers time whilst still indecisive). Pint and a meat pie in it for ya
Skyline for me:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cHKgTIh_M
"its so fast even a dead man will scream"
Its a 34 I know but still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cHKgTIh_M
"its so fast even a dead man will scream"
Its a 34 I know but still
Edited by Marf on Wednesday 25th July 17:19
Had the same choice and went for the Skyline having spent a bit of time looking into both.
There's not a lot to seperate them really without pointing out the obvious differences, both are amazing cars and I'm now finding it very hard to resist buying a supra as a daily car to get my fix before they get dated.
Both are capable of some fantastic things, the Skyline's are a bit roomier inside, both make a fantastic noise, are great fun to drive hard and will give you a big smile. I found the GTR a better handling car like for like, especially in the more twisty stuff, and a bit more balanced, but the supra handles well.
Both have amazing engines, if anything I'd say the 2JZ in the Supra is marginally more durable than the GTR's RB26DETT, with the GTR having the nicer manual gearbox of the two.
Always preferred Skylines myself, admittedly I'm biassed these days, but I have had a soft spot for Supras throughout ownership of my GTR and still do. I Couldn't however bring myself to part with the GTR to buy a Supra despite my liking them, though I'm sure most Supra owners would say the same about Skylines.
Give them both a whirl and see which you prefer, it's the only way you'll be happy in your decision and not be swayed by folks like me who are biassed to one marque whilst still appreciating the other.
The one thing I will say is don't let the talk of Skylines being 4WD sway you, you can still wing the back end out with ease as they're predominantly RWD.
There's not a lot to seperate them really without pointing out the obvious differences, both are amazing cars and I'm now finding it very hard to resist buying a supra as a daily car to get my fix before they get dated.
Both are capable of some fantastic things, the Skyline's are a bit roomier inside, both make a fantastic noise, are great fun to drive hard and will give you a big smile. I found the GTR a better handling car like for like, especially in the more twisty stuff, and a bit more balanced, but the supra handles well.
Both have amazing engines, if anything I'd say the 2JZ in the Supra is marginally more durable than the GTR's RB26DETT, with the GTR having the nicer manual gearbox of the two.
Always preferred Skylines myself, admittedly I'm biassed these days, but I have had a soft spot for Supras throughout ownership of my GTR and still do. I Couldn't however bring myself to part with the GTR to buy a Supra despite my liking them, though I'm sure most Supra owners would say the same about Skylines.
Give them both a whirl and see which you prefer, it's the only way you'll be happy in your decision and not be swayed by folks like me who are biassed to one marque whilst still appreciating the other.
The one thing I will say is don't let the talk of Skylines being 4WD sway you, you can still wing the back end out with ease as they're predominantly RWD.
All Mark 4 Supras are Twin Turbo, I think, 280bhp standard or 320 for UK spec. The lesser one has no turbo and 220bhp (IIRC). Bloody hard to tune up. GZ, RZ, etc are degrees of luxury and equipment AFAIK. SZ = non-turbo. Oh, the targa spec is usually automatic. Manual targas are ultra rare. I am sure someone will come along to give more detail. Apart from Googling, I can't give any extra info.
Skylines, well, GTS (non-turbo, about 220bhp), GTS-T (250bhp turbo), GTR (280bhp, twin turbo).
If you prefer the shape of a Supra (they do look more sporty) then buy an RZ or GZ otherwise you'll always wish you did. As for that arguement with the Skyline, unless you're looking for big power, I doubt the GTS-T with a mild tuning is gonna be that slow compared to the GTR.
Skylines, well, GTS (non-turbo, about 220bhp), GTS-T (250bhp turbo), GTR (280bhp, twin turbo).
If you prefer the shape of a Supra (they do look more sporty) then buy an RZ or GZ otherwise you'll always wish you did. As for that arguement with the Skyline, unless you're looking for big power, I doubt the GTS-T with a mild tuning is gonna be that slow compared to the GTR.
Edited by shadowninja on Wednesday 25th July 19:18
KingRichard said:
The different models are confusing me somewhat.
How different is a TT Supra to a Single Turbo model? And what's all this RZ, GZ nonsense? I'm sure it's not nonsense once you know what it all atands for, but it's getting me all in a muddle
on the mkiv's a single turbo is aftermarket tuned, they're twin as standard. How different is a TT Supra to a Single Turbo model? And what's all this RZ, GZ nonsense? I'm sure it's not nonsense once you know what it all atands for, but it's getting me all in a muddle
The GZ, SZ and RZ is basically the model type.
TURBO
The RZ and GZ's are turbo models.
The RZ is the one to go for, ideally 6 speed manual.
GZ's are all Automatics as standard.
NA
SZ's are Non-turbo
SZ-R is the base model manual with 5 or 6 speed box and is basic.
Then there's a few changes made as time went by, later ones got bigger brakes and so on, and you could get a turbo and N/A aerotop model in auto only if memory serves.
One thing I probably should have pointed out before with regards to the supra is they're better motorway cars than the GTR's. I've always found the 6th gear and quieter cabin in mates cars make them slightly more suitable for sitting in on the motorway, not that GTR's are bad, just not quite as good.
There you go, folks more knowledgeable than me put a guide together for you (might need to register)
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=5933...
(might need to register) http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=5933...
R32 GTR, there's just something about them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uveaS3f6n80&mod...
Stonking time attack video with Yamada piloting a 630bhp car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhpvSasZUjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uveaS3f6n80&mod...
Stonking time attack video with Yamada piloting a 630bhp car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhpvSasZUjw
Gazboy said:
First thing's first:
280bhp is nonsense in both the GTR & jdm Supra, both have comfortably more, the Supra regardless of export or jdm has 320-330bhp, if you look at 1/4 times and speeds you'll see they are identical, chuck them on a dyno if you want further proof.
Supra GZ's are available in 6spd, but rare, TurboT's purple car was a GZ 6 spd. GZ's have leather power seats, RZ's have cloth, both come with 6spd manual or 4 spd auto boxes. RHD areotops are all autos, manual aerotops are export models only unless a jdm has been converted.
I'm only considering a R33 GTR because of the bigger boot and bigger rear seats for the sprog.
Both the RB & JZ engines are immensly strong if you don't take the piss out of them, both are good for four figure power if you spend the money, but it'll cost you more £ per bhp on the Skyline regardless of 'Stage 1'/BPU tuning or a full on built longblock and bottom end with aftermarket turbos & EMS.
If you buy a tuned car, be choosey about who did the work, what parts they used, who did the mapping and what supporting mods were done. There's a few people who claim you can 'Single a Supra for less than £3000 for 600bhp. You can but it'll grenade before you finish the drive home from the tune up shop. There seems to be a fashion for some unscrupulous garages to fit turbos from marine diesel engines (and cost about £150, compared to a similar sized Garrett GT35R that's the thick end of a grand). If you become a member of mkiv.net look at the dispute section as it's the same old topics cropping up
Drive both cars then spend hours on the GTR register and mkivsupra.net doing homework. I suspect it'll be easier to find a good GTR over a Supra as the owner demographic appears to be more mature and less inclined to take their car down to the fancy dress shop for some ugly ill fitting kit.
I'm actually swinging more towards a skyline. Supranet seems a friendly forum, but like you say, there's a whole load of owners that stick loads of shite all over their cars on the site.280bhp is nonsense in both the GTR & jdm Supra, both have comfortably more, the Supra regardless of export or jdm has 320-330bhp, if you look at 1/4 times and speeds you'll see they are identical, chuck them on a dyno if you want further proof.
Supra GZ's are available in 6spd, but rare, TurboT's purple car was a GZ 6 spd. GZ's have leather power seats, RZ's have cloth, both come with 6spd manual or 4 spd auto boxes. RHD areotops are all autos, manual aerotops are export models only unless a jdm has been converted.
I'm only considering a R33 GTR because of the bigger boot and bigger rear seats for the sprog.
Both the RB & JZ engines are immensly strong if you don't take the piss out of them, both are good for four figure power if you spend the money, but it'll cost you more £ per bhp on the Skyline regardless of 'Stage 1'/BPU tuning or a full on built longblock and bottom end with aftermarket turbos & EMS.
If you buy a tuned car, be choosey about who did the work, what parts they used, who did the mapping and what supporting mods were done. There's a few people who claim you can 'Single a Supra for less than £3000 for 600bhp. You can but it'll grenade before you finish the drive home from the tune up shop. There seems to be a fashion for some unscrupulous garages to fit turbos from marine diesel engines (and cost about £150, compared to a similar sized Garrett GT35R that's the thick end of a grand). If you become a member of mkiv.net look at the dispute section as it's the same old topics cropping up
Drive both cars then spend hours on the GTR register and mkivsupra.net doing homework. I suspect it'll be easier to find a good GTR over a Supra as the owner demographic appears to be more mature and less inclined to take their car down to the fancy dress shop for some ugly ill fitting kit.
I'm thinking standard R33 GTR in a nice colour, a V-Spec would be nice, with some nice split rims, uprated brakes, exhaust and induction. Proper car
Race you to it Gaz Gazboy said:
I know.
I could count on one hand how many cars get aftermarket bodywork done where I wouldn't change a thing. Seems to be a fashion for carbon bonnets and JGTC style wings, the former almost always look shite, the latter only work on the Trial demo car and little else. Atleast graphics and shopping lists have died a death.
This kinda thing...I could count on one hand how many cars get aftermarket bodywork done where I wouldn't change a thing. Seems to be a fashion for carbon bonnets and JGTC style wings, the former almost always look shite, the latter only work on the Trial demo car and little else. Atleast graphics and shopping lists have died a death.
Or this...
Without the shopping list
But definitely not this kind of thing...
Turbo T said:
Just a quick note, if you are looking for big power the standard Supra engine and manual box is stronger than the Skylines. As Gaz said the Supra is a lot cheaper to tune as well.
I'm not looking for big power. I've not owned a big power car before. The fast stuff I've had has all been FWD. I think 300bhp is going to be more than enough to start with 
I've had a lot of time in a Z28 Camaro and a 350bhp Rover SD1, so although I know how responsible you have to be with this stuff, I really wouldn't want to jump in at the deep end with a 600bhp monster.
Cheers
Gazboy said:
First thing's first:
280bhp is nonsense in both the GTR & jdm Supra, both have comfortably more, the Supra regardless of export or jdm has 320-330bhp, if you look at 1/4 times and speeds you'll see they are identical, chuck them on a dyno if you want further proof.
I'm not convinced that's correct Gazboy, we haven't found that to be so anyway 280bhp is nonsense in both the GTR & jdm Supra, both have comfortably more, the Supra regardless of export or jdm has 320-330bhp, if you look at 1/4 times and speeds you'll see they are identical, chuck them on a dyno if you want further proof.
The UK model Supra is different to the JDM model in many ways, but as far as the engine concerned it has higher performance camshafts, larger turbochargers, higher flowing exhaust manifolds and different engine management etc and is rated at around 50hp higher than the JDM model.
The Supra and Skyline are both very worthy weapons of choice. I suggest that you drive both and see which you prefer.
The Supra is generally considerably cheaper to maintain.
Hope this helps a little
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