Is that emissions law going to come into effect?
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Esprit said:
Well I don't know if you've heard, but THIS might help to explain it a little. Basically as of Jan 1 next year, NZ will be adopting a Japanese emissions standard on all vehicles imported. Details can be found HERE.
Basically this will prohibit all Jap imports older than 2002 or so, and given that they're following a Japanese standard, it'll probably be an even harsher limit on European imports.
From Georges post about emissions testing coming into effect this Jan. Has anyone heard anymore about this. My hopes of bringing in something a bit special may go to the dog heap, so any info out there would be great.Basically this will prohibit all Jap imports older than 2002 or so, and given that they're following a Japanese standard, it'll probably be an even harsher limit on European imports.
Ok getting serious now and looking abroad for some nice Loti.Yes not good timing for me either 
am seriosuly thinking about letting out one of the four bedrooms downs stairs much to my dislike. If I can get the first and probably only S350 on NZ soil I will be laughing but it will be a high maintenance chicky ! I will need every dollar I can get my hands on. And yeah if I bought this time next year I would be totally comfortable financially.
am seriosuly thinking about letting out one of the four bedrooms downs stairs much to my dislike. If I can get the first and probably only S350 on NZ soil I will be laughing but it will be a high maintenance chicky ! I will need every dollar I can get my hands on. And yeah if I bought this time next year I would be totally comfortable financially. LTNZ clauses are actually worse than reading ISO 9000 Quality Systems standards I am sure of it. What a flippin nightmare/mess to sift through all the crap on Emissions. Uno I really dont think light weight cars that are well tuned not blowing smoke are going to have problems. But honestly can they just stick it in one page!?!
Kylie said:
LTNZ clauses are actually worse than reading ISO 9000 Quality Systems standards I am sure of it. What a flippin nightmare/mess to sift through all the crap on Emissions. Uno I really dont think light weight cars that are well tuned not blowing smoke are going to have problems. But honestly can they just stick it in one page!?!
Basically, they're just looking for a car that's been built to meet a certain standard.... sadly, pre-2002 Lotuses (elises anyway) were never built to those standards, so they'll never comply.... depsite ACTUALLY being cleaner than a lot of cars that do comply... which is silly.Kylie said:
LTNZ clauses are actually worse than reading ISO 9000 Quality Systems standards I am sure of it. What a flippin nightmare/mess to sift through all the crap on Emissions. Uno I really dont think light weight cars that are well tuned not blowing smoke are going to have problems. But honestly can they just stick it in one page!?!
I'm trying to sort myself out for a 'clubsport advanced' classified event and the MANZ manuals are a joke.Trying to sort out the safety regs for the roll-bar . . .
next page - 'car should be washed between events',
next page - 'mirrors should be a minimum of 100 x 50mm,
next page - 'specific gravity of 91, 96 & 98 RON'
There is a complete inconsistency in the terms used. Conflicting sections on whether my rollbar needs braces at the top (or halfway down). Conflicting sections on whether I need a logbook. . . .
What a mess.
And this is from someone who spends his days dealing with legislative sections with references like:
s709zzza(1)(b)(iii)(a)
They not called the "zzz" sections for nothing
Try this one - from the LVVTA code:
Scratch-built vehicle
Means a motor vehicle that is either:
a) assembled from previously unrelated components and construction materials which have not been predominantly sourced from donors of a single make or model and which, in its completed form, never previously existed as a mass produced vehicle, although the external appearance may resemble or replicate an existing vehicle; or
b) a modified production vehicle which contains less than the following componentry from a mass -produced vehicle of a single make and model:
40% of the chassis rails and 50% of the crossmembers, or alternately 40% of a spaceframe, or 40% of the floorpan of a unitary constructed body, whichever is appropriate, and
For light vehicles, 40% or more of the bodywork (based on surface area of body panels but does not include the floorpan, internal bracing, sub panels, bulkheads or firewall)
As far as I can work out, taking the terms in bold relevant to my fire damaged Cerb shell and modified spaceframe then in plain English you get this nonsense:
“A scratch built vehicle is a modified production vehicle which contains less than 40% of a mass-produced spaceframe and less than…40% or more of the bodywork from a mass produced vehicle”
And this mess of of a definition is why no-one - from certifiers to LTNZ to the LVVTA exec - has been able to tell me for the two years that I've been asking the question what I need to do or change to make the Cerb registerable as scratch built. Response to my letter to the Minister is apparently in his out tray this week...
Scratch-built vehicle
Means a motor vehicle that is either:
a) assembled from previously unrelated components and construction materials which have not been predominantly sourced from donors of a single make or model and which, in its completed form, never previously existed as a mass produced vehicle, although the external appearance may resemble or replicate an existing vehicle; or
b) a modified production vehicle which contains less than the following componentry from a mass -produced vehicle of a single make and model:
40% of the chassis rails and 50% of the crossmembers, or alternately 40% of a spaceframe, or 40% of the floorpan of a unitary constructed body, whichever is appropriate, and
For light vehicles, 40% or more of the bodywork (based on surface area of body panels but does not include the floorpan, internal bracing, sub panels, bulkheads or firewall)
As far as I can work out, taking the terms in bold relevant to my fire damaged Cerb shell and modified spaceframe then in plain English you get this nonsense:
“A scratch built vehicle is a modified production vehicle which contains less than 40% of a mass-produced spaceframe and less than…40% or more of the bodywork from a mass produced vehicle”
And this mess of of a definition is why no-one - from certifiers to LTNZ to the LVVTA exec - has been able to tell me for the two years that I've been asking the question what I need to do or change to make the Cerb registerable as scratch built. Response to my letter to the Minister is apparently in his out tray this week...
Ffirg 005 said:
And this mess of of a definition is why no-one - from certifiers to LTNZ to the LVVTA exec - has been able to tell me for the two years that I've been asking the question what I need to do or change to make the Cerb registerable as scratch built. Response to my letter to the Minister is apparently in his out tray this week...
All to unclear for me and dam right scary.I know of a highly regarded certifier who signs off plans and stages in the build process for Hotrods that are regarded as scratch built and the like. Perhaps it could come under this area? If your interested I can pass you his number. He may be able to help shed some light.
Thanks Kylie, depending on what response I get this week I may take you up on that, but having discussed this at length with certifiers in the constructors car club and Tony Johnson (founder and Director of the LVVTA, and a hot rod enthusiast himself), it's not the individual certifiers or the LVVTA themselves which are the problem, it's the regulations they have to work with. Every certifier I have spoken to has said if it was up to him I would have no problem, they just can't guarantee that it will be accepted under the rules as a compliant scratch-built rather than a modified non-frontal impact compliant production TVR when it's presented at the testing station.
Obviously I don't want to go to the effort and expense of building it up as a road car without knowing for certain that it won't be turned away at the final hurdle...
Obviously I don't want to go to the effort and expense of building it up as a road car without knowing for certain that it won't be turned away at the final hurdle...
Sorry for the thread hijack.... but it is your thread so I guess that's OK 
The issue isn't whether the vehicle as built is compliant with the regulations governing safe construction of scratchbuilt cars, it's about whether the completed vehicle presented to LTNZ is in fact scratch built using some TVR-sourced components, or is still a TVR (albeit substantially modified) which isn't frontal-impact tested. So a testing station could confirm that the chassis is OK on paper, but what really matters is whether they believe on the day that it was made in Blackpool, or here.
I have no difficulty with working with certifiers or a testing station to ensure that what is built meets the scratchbuilt standards, but the testing station could decide that due to the proportions of original chassis and body remaining, and their interpretation of the daft definition I posted earlier, it doesn't meet the definition of scratch built at all. Even if they let it through on the day, I could suffer Richard's fate (TVR Chimaera) of having LTNZ come knocking on my door months later saying they made a mistake and want the plates back!
Maybe it would have been easier to take a back door route - TVRs are hand built anyway so who's to know what's original and what's new, and certainly the certifiers I've spoken to are sympathetic to my problem - but my case has some profile now so I'm pretty much committed to trying to force a way through the front door.
The issue isn't whether the vehicle as built is compliant with the regulations governing safe construction of scratchbuilt cars, it's about whether the completed vehicle presented to LTNZ is in fact scratch built using some TVR-sourced components, or is still a TVR (albeit substantially modified) which isn't frontal-impact tested. So a testing station could confirm that the chassis is OK on paper, but what really matters is whether they believe on the day that it was made in Blackpool, or here.
I have no difficulty with working with certifiers or a testing station to ensure that what is built meets the scratchbuilt standards, but the testing station could decide that due to the proportions of original chassis and body remaining, and their interpretation of the daft definition I posted earlier, it doesn't meet the definition of scratch built at all. Even if they let it through on the day, I could suffer Richard's fate (TVR Chimaera) of having LTNZ come knocking on my door months later saying they made a mistake and want the plates back!
Maybe it would have been easier to take a back door route - TVRs are hand built anyway so who's to know what's original and what's new, and certainly the certifiers I've spoken to are sympathetic to my problem - but my case has some profile now so I'm pretty much committed to trying to force a way through the front door.
Dont worry about hijacking threads I am always doing it
I look at Simon's 1932 roadster hes building. There are many one off parts on it that have never been crash tested and ideas never been used on other cars. Anyway I will leave it there, I am sure they have received a bit a hate mail in past...
I look at Simon's 1932 roadster hes building. There are many one off parts on it that have never been crash tested and ideas never been used on other cars. Anyway I will leave it there, I am sure they have received a bit a hate mail in past...
Would love a 1996 manual Volvo 855R (the estate version of the 850) and the timing may be right.
Thinking it would be easier and possibly cheaper to find one on piston heads than at home. I have this sinking feeling that I should have bought one last month with the new incoming emissions law. Can anyone confirm?
Thinking it would be easier and possibly cheaper to find one on piston heads than at home. I have this sinking feeling that I should have bought one last month with the new incoming emissions law. Can anyone confirm?
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